Has anyone ever had a stage overturned?

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 23 Nov 2017, 17:04

Yes I know it says “no right to appeal”
That doesn’t mean that there’s no right to putting in a grievance if warranted and even going to the tribunal stage?

buntin · Post by **buntin** » 23 Nov 2017, 17:11

correct. my wife put a grievance in against a stage warning that was issued when she had to have fetility treatment and they had to overturn it and remove it from her record.

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 23 Nov 2017, 17:26

Creditshampoo wrote:Yes I know it says “no right to appeal”
That doesn’t mean that there’s no right to putting in a grievance if warranted and even going to the tribunal stage?

It is very rare to have a formal stage review 1 decision overturned even with mitigating circumstances as the issuing manager believes that my putting you on the stage ladder this will be a reminder for the employee to do their best to avoid going to stage 2 and stage 3 levels where dismissal is considered.
The union wanted to have appeals at all stage levels but this was rejected by RM for the increased workload that would be put on them.
You will be aware that the appeals manager has the ability to uphold, reduce or revoke a dismissal decision and will view all the absences that have been calculated on reaching the stage 3 level and carefully consider if the decision to give a stage warning are merited in relation to the circumstances.
If a dismissal decision was upheld by the appeals manager then you have the right to continue to an ET.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 23 Nov 2017, 18:50

personally I think its a disgrace that you cant appeal a stage. I was issued one years ago when I went sick with chest pains. it turned out I had atrial fibrillation and was hospitalised for a few days then off for ten days to rest. situations like this mean that you can be put on a stage through no fault of your own and the manager has made the wrong decision to issue it. but his wrong decision may as well be a right decision because you cant appeal. it puts you under unnecessary stress dealing with the worry you may go down with sickness again, thereby triggering a second stage causing more worry and so on etc. even rapists and murderers have the right to appeal a sentence, but not posties.

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 23 Nov 2017, 18:54

daveyeff wrote:personally I think its a disgrace that you cant appeal a stage. I was issued one years ago when I went sick with chest pains. it turned out I had atrial fibrillation and was hospitalised for a few days then off for ten days to rest. situations like this mean that you can be put on a stage through no fault of your own and the manager has made the wrong decision to issue it. but his wrong decision may as well be a right decision because you cant appeal. it puts you under unnecessary stress dealing with the worry you may go down with sickness again, thereby triggering a second stage causing more worry and so on etc. even rapists and murderers have the right to appeal a sentence, but not posties.

ALL sickness is treated as genuine though, thats the key point... at least until stage 3 when things like your circumstances would be reviewed and probably looked at more favourably than someone constantly off every few months with "minor" illness / excuses.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 23 Nov 2017, 19:01

they say it is but its obviously not. why would a stage be issued to someone with heart trouble. the same DOM issued one to a bloke who fell down a manhole and broke his collarbone, stating the postie should've been looking where he was going. (caring employer) they issue stages mechanistically and don't give a monkeys whether its genuine or not.

DGH · Post by **DGH** » 23 Nov 2017, 19:15

Postie45 wrote:
daveyeff wrote:personally I think its a disgrace that you cant appeal a stage. I was issued one years ago when I went sick with chest pains. it turned out I had atrial fibrillation and was hospitalised for a few days then off for ten days to rest. situations like this mean that you can be put on a stage through no fault of your own and the manager has made the wrong decision to issue it. but his wrong decision may as well be a right decision because you cant appeal. it puts you under unnecessary stress dealing with the worry you may go down with sickness again, thereby triggering a second stage causing more worry and so on etc. even rapists and murderers have the right to appeal a sentence, but not posties.
ALL sickness is treated as genuine though, thats the key point... at least until stage 3 when things like your circumstances would be reviewed and probably looked at more favourably than someone constantly off every few months with "minor" illness / excuses.

You'd think so but a few years back a persistent absentee (notorious for his Saturday illnesses when a certain football team were at an away fixture) had his stage 3 quashed (for the third time . . .) while in the same week a chap with an otherwise excellent record who'd had three linked absences (all to do with one medical condition that had been resolved by the day his stage 3 was heard) was sacked.

The process seems to me to be reasonably well-intentioned with regard to 'fairness' but pretty arbitrary, even nepotistic, in application.

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 27 Nov 2017, 17:18

Whole review system is a joke.

Does the manager have to state the reason for issuing the stage and is that reason Always not meeting the standards of attendance Royal Mail expect?

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 07 Jan 2018, 20:05

Creditshampoo wrote:Whole review system is a joke.

Does the manager have to state the reason for issuing the stage and is that reason Always not meeting the standards of attendance Royal Mail expect?

Could anyone help here thank you

Post by **General Mannerheim** » 07 Jan 2018, 21:03

Creditshampoo wrote:
Creditshampoo wrote:Whole review system is a joke.

Does the manager have to state the reason for issuing the stage and is that reason Always not meeting the standards of attendance Royal Mail expect?
Could anyone help here thank you

They are supposed to tell you face to face and then in writing when they issue you with a warning.
In theory they should at least put a reason why but they always use the not up to standard as it covers all bases for them.

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 08 Jan 2018, 08:01

What if they don’t use the not up to standard reason

Post by **Brandy** » 08 Jan 2018, 15:10

daveyeff wrote:they say it is but its obviously not. why would a stage be issued to someone with heart trouble. the same DOM issued one to a bloke who fell down a manhole and broke his collarbone, stating the postie should've been looking where he was going. (caring employer) they issue stages mechanistically and don't give a monkeys whether its genuine or not.

I knew someone who got issued with a stage 1 when they were off with cancer how disgusting is that?!!

49erman · Post by **49erman** » 08 Jan 2018, 18:36

How long does each stage stay in place before you have a clean slate again?

fed_up_postie · Post by **fed_up_postie** » 08 Jan 2018, 18:58

49erman wrote:How long does each stage stay in place before you have a clean slate again?

Stage wiped every 6 months (so of your on a stage 2 after 6 months it drops to a stage 1 then another 6 minths later it's wiped clean as long as no more illnesses trigger a stage)

Post by **CPTNemoUK** » 08 Jan 2018, 19:12

fed_up_postie wrote:
49erman wrote:How long does each stage stay in place before you have a clean slate again?
Stage wiped every 6 months (so of your on a stage 2 after 6 months it drops to a stage 1 then another 6 minths later it's wiped clean as long as no more illnesses trigger a stage)

I had my stage one for a year. But there again they prob lied to me