Overtime and van share partner

[thecoffeehouse204]

My husband is on a duty with a very slow partner who always wants to leave in, obviously with Christmas coming up its going to get even busier so the managers have asked my husband if he wants overtime to complete the duty everyday, his partner doesn't want overtime which is fair enough but he's been told that he needs to run his partner back to the office for their finish time before heading back out to do his overtime. I think that if the managers want him to complete the duty they should be figuring out how his partner gets back and it shouldn't be his problem. What's the opinion on here? Thanks

[eastie]

run him back before your finish time, whats the problem?

[Brandy]

My husband is on a duty with a very slow partner who always wants to leave in, obviously with Christmas coming up its going to get even busier so the managers have asked my husband if he wants overtime to complete the duty everyday, his partner doesn't want overtime which is fair enough but he's been told that he needs to run his partner back to the office for their finish time before heading back out to do his overtime. I think that if the managers want him to complete the duty they should be figuring out how his partner gets back and it shouldn't be his problem. What's the opinion on here? Thanks

Its a good job he is not in the office I used to be in,I know what would happen,the slower partner would be bullied and picked on by the awful management which sums up RM .

[TrueBlueTerrier]

My husband is on a duty with a very slow partner who always wants to leave in, obviously with Christmas coming up its going to get even busier so the managers have asked my husband if he wants overtime to complete the duty everyday, his partner doesn't want overtime which is fair enough but he's been told that he needs to run his partner back to the office for their finish time before heading back out to do his overtime. I think that if the managers want him to complete the duty they should be figuring out how his partner gets back and it shouldn't be his problem. What's the opinion on here? Thanks

Problem is his partner is allowed to finish back at the office at his finish time, so if your husband refuses to drop him back he will need to leave the round earlier, leaving more for your husband to cover.

The other option would be for a manager to come and collect him but that is a poor and inefficient use of resources and wouldn't be looked at well by more senior managers.

Also as your husband obviously wants the overtime, he is allowed to claim it for the journey to and from the office on overtime.

However, if your husband has come to a "deal" with managers to get a fixed amount of overtime even if it takes him less than that, and that's why he doesn't want to run his partner back then he should be aware that is against current agreements, and there are cases where managers and posties have been disciplined for this. Including some dismissals.

So there are benefits and drawbacks to all the above, but in essence yes he should run his partner back, especially if instructed to do so during paid hours, it is classed as a reasonable request.

[Judgee]

Park and Loop is a partnership like it or not. You go out on delivery together and it is down to the driving partner to get them both back at finishing time if that's what the non-driving partner requires. Overtime is overtime and is therefore optional and should not effect the working day of anyone who chooses not to do it!

[fishtank]

I think that if the managers want him to complete the duty they should be figuring out how his partner gets back and it shouldn't be his problem.

It's not his problem, it's his job. His overtime doesn't start until he's brought his partner back to the office, after that everything is voluntary and up for negotiation. Until that point he should be following the same procedure he does every other day of the year. Is it efficient to run back to the office and then out again probably not but THAT isn't your husband's problem.

[thecoffeehouse204]

Thanks for all the opinions, I was just looking on it as a waste of his time having to go back an forth but can see the point about his o/t only starting from their finish time, think they rarely get back on time even leaving in but if he decides to go for it I assume he can count that time in. Seems he would have to go back to the office anyway as the van will be too small to fit everything in over Christmas as its nearly full now and that's leaving a loop and packets in!

Its a good job he is not in the office I used to be in,I know what would happen,the slower partner would be bullied and picked on by the awful management which sums up RM .

No worries about that his partner seems untouchable and just gets paired with someone new oncew theyve had enough. It's my husband that gets the grief and abuse when he tells the managers they're leaving in, even though he goes above and beyond to try and complete by taking the bigger loops. Apparently the driver should have the shorter loops as he does packets on top but he still ends up sat in the van twiddling his thumbs for 10-20 minutes a loop!

[Dexydog]

Seems to me your husband should be thanking this guy for what he probably sees as doing the job correctly.
It means more overtime so why get worked up about it?

[Brandy]

Thanks for all the opinions, I was just looking on it as a waste of his time having to go back an forth but can see the point about his o/t only starting from their finish time, think they rarely get back on time even leaving in but if he decides to go for it I assume he can count that time in. Seems he would have to go back to the office anyway as the van will be too small to fit everything in over Christmas as its nearly full now and that's leaving a loop and packets in!

Its a good job he is not in the office I used to be in,I know what would happen,the slower partner would be bullied and picked on by the awful management which sums up RM .

No worries about that his partner seems untouchable and just gets paired with someone new oncew theyve had enough. It's my husband that gets the grief and abuse when he tells the managers they're leaving in, even though he goes above and beyond to try and complete by taking the bigger loops. Apparently the driver should have the shorter loops as he does packets on top but he still ends up sat in the van twiddling his thumbs for 10-20 minutes a loop!

It sounds to me then that his partner is one of the DOMS favourites,so unfair,and happens in a lot of offices. Good luck to your husband.

[postslippete]

This quite obviously highlights one of the main problems of park and loop. I've mentioned it on another thread that it is one of things that is massively inefficient to the way that we are currently doing things. True Blue correctly points out that it is a poor and inefficient use of resources for a manager to come out and collect someone BUT its also a poor and inefficient use of resources for Royal Mail if they are quite happy to allow his partner to drive him back to the office before going out again to complete the duty. And even worse, it may even give his partner the green light to work even slower knowing his partner will be taking all the work!!

[Brandy]

Bring back bikes and working on your own!

[Kings Norton]

Why is he getting his wife or partner to come on here mithering? I'll bet your parner or Hubby don't take his break and comes in early. If the lad is slow tell your other half help him its called team work. Seems your other half likes ghosting and he can't ghost. That's life!

[Janet Brum]

Why is he getting his wife or partner to come on here mithering? I'll bet your parner or Hubby don't take his break and comes in early. If the lad is slow tell your other half help him its called team work. Seems your other half likes ghosting and he can't ghost. That's life!

I agree, I had such partners few times and I didn`t like it. This didn`t make me fly though, I`m doing the job as it should be done, not running.

[yellowbelly]

Why is he getting his wife or partner to come on here mithering? I'll bet your parner or Hubby don't take his break and comes in early. If the lad is slow tell your other half help him its called team work. Seems your other half likes ghosting and he can't ghost. That's life!

I agree, I had such partners few times and I didn`t like it. This didn`t make me fly though, I`m doing the job as it should be done, not running.

We don't know why the other partner is 'slow' compare to the 'faster' postie in the OP. Was the 'slower' postie not trained
properly, do they know the round, are they injured, are they doing the job correctly compared to 'faster' postie or are they slow
because they are idle, on their phone during their duty, want their partner to do more work? (I'd be a bit cheesed off if the 'slow' postie
is just plain idle and wants me to do more work every day because of 'team spirit') Always two sides to a story......

[South_London_Postie]

if your partner has a problem dropping his colleague back before doing the overtime, don’t accept the overtime. Simples