Grievance form advice

fisherkinguk · Post by **fisherkinguk** » 16 Oct 2017, 15:18

I will try to keep this short.
I was asked Saturday to go on my old round, so the man I was van sharing with could then do overtime on my round making it easier for him. (Though not happy as my old round was too big, which is why I left it) I agreed.

Now today I was asked again for the same reason, but this time I refused. I was then told I had to go on it, so I informed the manager if he was going to make me go on it I would put a grievance in against him. He told me to carry on.
I informed him that because of the time we were getting out (the round was not all thrown off), and as it was a bigger round I did not think I would have time to complete the round.
He asked me to ring him If I couldn't complete, close to the end the boy I was with rung as he had his number. He was informed that we would not have time to do the last loop.
He then asked to speak to me on the phone and asked if I could go over if he paid me over time, I told him NO!. He then told me if I didn't go over he would stop me from finishing early for at least the rest of the week!.
I said that was fine as long as the same went for everyone else, he said it was different for them as they had completed so could finish early.
He then wanted a word when I got back to the office and it went pretty much the same, talking about give and take, and flexibility. He wanted my round for someone to do overtime because they didn't want to do it on the round he put me on. I'm not a reserve, I'm not a float this is my round I picked. He should not move me off it because the person wanting overtime would prefer to do it on my round!.
Just wanted any advice as I'm about to fill in the grievance form, my union REP is actually backing me on this!

Celtic Postman · Post by **Celtic Postman** » 16 Oct 2017, 15:44

I believe that you are within your rights to point out that you wish to remain on your duty.
The person who is doing overtime should be doing the OT on the duty that is unstaffed and therefore needing the cover.

Here's where it gets funny.

The manager can move you (as required) to another duty for operational reasons but when he moves you off your duty it should not have anyone else covering it (Especially for someone who just wants to cover that one on OT), unless it is for an exceptional reason ( Someone who is on Rehab and can't do stairs etc... due to phased return or something similar to which the manager must explain to you but without going into confidential info )

fisherkinguk · Post by **fisherkinguk** » 16 Oct 2017, 16:29

There was no exceptional reasons, The manager admitted that he would have refused overtime on the duty he moved me to, so he removed me from my duty to make it easier for him to do the overtime as he was now covering both sides of a shared van duty. This would mean that if he offers someone overtime on a duty and they refuse, but say they will do overtime on your duty he will move you off it for them to have what they want. This is really not fare, and I don't think is allowed.
I will be writing my grievance a bit later after I have thought a bit more on what to say.

Post by **Lounge Lizard** » 16 Oct 2017, 16:41

I might be willing to do overtime on some duties but not on other duties and the DOM might well know that but I would NOT ever expect anyone to be moved from their own duty to facilitate me working overtime.

BarnsleyLackey · Post by **BarnsleyLackey** » 16 Oct 2017, 16:53

Tell him you won't complete the alternate duty, and ask him what he'll do to get you finished on time.

As for the grievance form, they wear em like badges of honour. Don't waste your time.

fisherkinguk · Post by **fisherkinguk** » 16 Oct 2017, 17:33

It shouldn't happen again Until perhaps Friday, my van sharing partner had today off. The man that was replacing him today agreed to do overtime, but only if he could do my round as the overtime so it was easier for him. His normal day off is Friday this week, so if he didn't swap his day off I may have this problem again Friday

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 16 Oct 2017, 18:05

fisherkinguk wrote:It shouldn't happen again Until perhaps Friday, my van sharing partner had today off. The man that was replacing him today agreed to do overtime, but only if he could do my round as the overtime so it was easier for him. His normal day off is Friday this week, so if he didn't swap his day off I may have this problem again Friday

So your prepared for this every week by the sounds of it well good luck.

fisherkinguk · Post by **fisherkinguk** » 16 Oct 2017, 19:21

I am not prepared to put up with this!
Just just looking at my options, but certainly not going to sit back and let it happen..

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 16 Oct 2017, 19:39

fisherkinguk wrote:I am not prepared to put up with this!
Just just looking at my options, but certainly not going to sit back and let it happen..

Well good on you but if it's any consolation most of the bad managers got moved after numerous grievances were took out against them not sacked just moved.