ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

Owning the Workload

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
wacko74
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 1572
Joined: 04 Apr 2009, 20:35
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by wacko74 »

Not sure if this is worthy of it's own thread, it's just my anecdotal observations.

So with all this talk of of walk ownership aka ''owning the workload'' I've been keeping a closer eye on my hours and finishing times these last few weeks...

The traffic figures for my D.O. showed that the last 2 weeks in August were the lowest mail volumes for the year to date, over those 2 weeks I did get a few early finishes totalling 1hr 20mins for 1 week and 1hr 30mins for the other week.

So that's an overall ''gain'' for me of 2hrs 50mins over 10 working days during the 2 lightest weeks of the year.

We're now in the first week of Sept and mail & pkt volumes are back to normal ''non summer'' levels and I've already booked 5 hrs 15mins ext del in only 4 working days.


RM must think we're really stupid if they honestly expect us to believe that the light days and heavy days ''even out'' when it comes to ''owning the workload''.
k979aaa
Posts: 12578
Joined: 03 Sep 2007, 19:14
Gender: Male
Location: THE NORTH

Owning the Workload

Post by k979aaa »

wacko74 wrote:Not sure if this is worthy of it's own thread, it's just my anecdotal observations.

So with all this talk of of walk ownership aka ''owning the workload'' I've been keeping a closer eye on my hours and finishing times these last few weeks...

The traffic figures for my D.O. showed that the last 2 weeks in August were the lowest mail volumes for the year to date, over those 2 weeks I did get a few early finishes totalling 1hr 20mins for 1 week and 1hr 30mins for the other week.

So that's an overall ''gain'' for me of 2hrs 50mins over 10 working days during the 2 lightest weeks of the year.

We're now in the first week of Sept and mail & pkt volumes are back to normal ''non summer'' levels and I've already booked 5 hrs 15mins ext del in only 4 working days.


RM must think we're really stupid if they honestly expect us to believe that the light days and heavy days ''even out'' when it comes to ''owning the workload''.
Owning The Problem and the risk by those who never work and never will in a word PARASITES!
gone postal
Posts: 98
Joined: 16 May 2012, 19:30
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by gone postal »

Royal mail are looking to outsource the risk to maximise profit.
That's the model that the likes of Hermes and Yodal use with their so called 'lifestyle couriers'
OnAFlyer
Posts: 1938
Joined: 16 Aug 2009, 14:24
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by OnAFlyer »

F*ck that. Packets filled the van up the the roof today - we streamed every bag, took 5 boxes of mail back and still went 20 minutes over!
Spedley
Posts: 1209
Joined: 16 Jul 2007, 17:32
Location: Warwickshire

Owning the Workload

Post by Spedley »

Most part-timers in our office do regular overtime. Owning the workload would in theory be much less of a problem for them. They don't have enough hours anyway so doing an extra hour or two on bad days shouldn't be a problem for them. i.e. if you are on a 5 hour/day contract and you regularly do extra to up your hours to 8.
... then when its all done, the next round of cuts start ... :(
steve1873
Posts: 800
Joined: 08 Oct 2007, 13:55

Owning the Workload

Post by steve1873 »

Spedley wrote:Most part-timers in our office do regular overtime. Owning the workload would in theory be much less of a problem for them. They don't have enough hours anyway so doing an extra hour or two on bad days shouldn't be a problem for them. i.e. if you are on a 5 hour/day contract and you regularly do extra to up your hours to 8.
... then when its all done, the next round of cuts start ... :(
That is the thing - you wouldn't be paid ANY overtime! You would be responsible for the workload whether it is a hundred items or a couple of thousand items and if it takes you 10 hours to complete.... well, what are you waiting for, you better make a start!
jack~jack
Posts: 62
Joined: 09 Mar 2014, 10:04
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by jack~jack »

As they say in dragon's den "I'm out".
wacko74
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 1572
Joined: 04 Apr 2009, 20:35
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by wacko74 »

So just a quick update/summary on my 4 week trial period of ''owning the workload''

As already said, the last 2 weeks in Aug were the lightest 2 weeks of the year according to our office traffic figures and over 10 working days I ''gained'' 2 hrs 50 mins through early finishes.

The first 2 weeks of Sept have been ''model weeks'' i.e. average mail volumes and I've booked a total of 10 hrs 30 mins ext del over 10 working days, with no early finishes at all.

(This is based on a 30 hour contract, 5x6 hr days)

Doesn't really suggest to me that the light days and heavy days would ''even themselves out'' as RM claim is the case.
ArthurPewty
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 189
Joined: 21 Dec 2016, 17:15
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by ArthurPewty »

wacko74 wrote:So just a quick update/summary on my 4 week trial period of ''owning the workload''

As already said, the last 2 weeks in Aug were the lightest 2 weeks of the year according to our office traffic figures and over 10 working days I ''gained'' 2 hrs 50 mins through early finishes.

The first 2 weeks of Sept have been ''model weeks'' i.e. average mail volumes and I've booked a total of 10 hrs 30 mins ext del over 10 working days, with no early finishes at all.

(This is based on a 30 hour contract, 5x6 hr days)

Doesn't really suggest to me that the light days and heavy days would ''even themselves out'' as RM claim is the case.
This is the main reason why i'm voting YES in the ballot. I'm on a 5 x 5hr contract and there's no way I'm having this. If it comes in, I'm off. Imagine the arguments between F/T and P/T about how much extra each should do when anyone in their group is off sick. Mark my words there will literally be fist fights breaking out between F/timers and P/Timers over this if RM manage to get this brought in.
scoobymunster
Posts: 346
Joined: 30 Mar 2011, 00:39
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by scoobymunster »

Maybe it's just a coincidence, but any day our figures "drop" and the mail is VERY light (rare now though), we seem to get hit bad with a bulk mailing from one(of several) customers. It's as if RM have planned for such days to minimise any "gains" for OPGs.
k979aaa
Posts: 12578
Joined: 03 Sep 2007, 19:14
Gender: Male
Location: THE NORTH

Owning the Workload

Post by k979aaa »

ArthurPewty wrote:
wacko74 wrote:So just a quick update/summary on my 4 week trial period of ''owning the workload''

As already said, the last 2 weeks in Aug were the lightest 2 weeks of the year according to our office traffic figures and over 10 working days I ''gained'' 2 hrs 50 mins through early finishes.

The first 2 weeks of Sept have been ''model weeks'' i.e. average mail volumes and I've booked a total of 10 hrs 30 mins ext del over 10 working days, with no early finishes at all.

(This is based on a 30 hour contract, 5x6 hr days)

Doesn't really suggest to me that the light days and heavy days would ''even themselves out'' as RM claim is the case.
This is the main reason why i'm voting YES in the ballot. I'm on a 5 x 5hr contract and there's no way I'm having this. If it comes in, I'm off. Imagine the arguments between F/T and P/T about how much extra each should do when anyone in their group is off sick. Mark my words there will literally be fist fights breaking out between F/timers and P/Timers over this if RM manage to get this brought in.
Probably that's what royalmail want IHR and pension's would not even come into the equation!
SpacePhoenix
MAIL CENTRES/PROCESSING
Posts: 12193
Joined: 12 Nov 2008, 17:03
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by SpacePhoenix »

scoobymunster wrote:Maybe it's just a coincidence, but any day our figures "drop" and the mail is VERY light (rare now though), we seem to get hit bad with a bulk mailing from one(of several) customers. It's as if RM have planned for such days to minimise any "gains" for OPGs.
If it's mech letters then maybe RM are doing that to ensure that the capacity exists to sequence it otherwise it would just get sent to the DOs as manual
answer=42
Posts: 64
Joined: 16 Jun 2012, 07:44
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by answer=42 »

QUESTION
Where does it actually say no overtime will be paid for going over when 'owning the workload'?
wacko74
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 1572
Joined: 04 Apr 2009, 20:35
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by wacko74 »

answer=42 wrote:QUESTION
Where does it actually say no overtime will be paid for going over when 'owning the workload'?
Admittedly the whole issue of ''owning the workload'' is just speculation at the moment, but you're being a little naive If you can't see that this would be the ultimate aim of it.
Last edited by wacko74 on 18 Sep 2017, 19:25, edited 1 time in total.
Dexydog
Posts: 887
Joined: 14 Jan 2017, 13:54
Gender: Male

Owning the Workload

Post by Dexydog »

If you're part-time, there's 5 hours in your day.
If you're full-time, there's just under 8.
No-one can make you work a minute over that, if you don't want to.
Everyone should calm down is my opinion.