Full time/part time annual leave selection

scorched · Post by **scorched** » 31 Aug 2017, 13:03

In our office we have two separate sections in the annual leave books, one for full time, one for part time. Most weeks there are around 12 vacant slots for FT and four for PT. So when the first round of selection is done, invariably the part time slots are full and there are usually slots available for the full timers for the second round of signing. Part timers aren't allowed to fill full time slots.

So basically if you are full time you are more likely to get the weeks you want as you have more options available.

Is this legal or is it discrimination?

crazyshrew · Post by **crazyshrew** » 31 Aug 2017, 15:09

Is the ratio of Ft/PT holiday slots equal to the ratio of ft/PT workers?
If there were three times as many ft workers as part time workers then it would make some sense as it ensures there won't be surplus work or workers. It would be silly to too many full timers in covering PT duties or too many part timers with not enough hours to cover the workload.
I wouldn't think it's discrimination as long as everybody has the opportunity to take all the leave they are entitled to.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 31 Aug 2017, 15:55

scorched wrote:Is this legal or is it discrimination?

As crazyshrew says it all depends on the ratio of FT to PT in the office.

scorched · Post by **scorched** » 31 Aug 2017, 17:13

Well we have around 100 FT and 40 PT. I checked the books, for most weeks there are 17 FT spaces and 4 PT spaces. I don't know how to work the exact ratios out but I'm pretty sure those don't match.

Besides, we often have the situation where after all the leave is assigned and there are spaces available a full timer is allowed to take A/L in a full timer gap but a part timer is denied it. Surely that example is discrimination? Seeing as how practically every week's part timer spaces are fully taken it makes it very difficult for a part timer to take leave.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 31 Aug 2017, 17:28

scorched wrote:Well we have around 100 FT and 40 PT. I checked the books, for most weeks there are 17 FT spaces and 4 PT spaces. I don't know how to work the exact ratios out but I'm pretty sure those don't match.

Besides, we often have the situation where after all the leave is assigned and there are spaces available a full timer is allowed to take A/L in a full timer gap but a part timer is denied it. Surely that example is discrimination? Seeing as how practically every week's part timer spaces are fully taken it makes it very difficult for a part timer to take leave.

Ratio of Pt to FT workers is 2/5

Ratio of PT to FT leave is 1/4

Chances of FT getting their choice is roughly 1 in 5 - whilst part-timers is 1 in 10.

Rough guess work I'd say reduce the FT leave by 2 and increase the PT by the same amount. Gives everyone roughly the same ratio per person.

Now all you need to do is convince the rep if in the Union or draw up a paper and present it to Managers.

scorched · Post by **scorched** » 31 Aug 2017, 17:58

That makes sense thanks! I might have an ask around the other part timers to see if they want to take it further because as it stands it does seem like we're being short changed.

Post by **97gaz** » 31 Aug 2017, 18:13

scorched · Post by **scorched** » 31 Aug 2017, 18:42

Yeah, I mean obviously not all weeks are the same, during autumn it's something like 12 and 3, and in November it's 3 and 1 or something like that, but I'm pretty sure over the whole year we are getting stitched up. I think it's down to about a dozen full timers leaving and being replaced by about a dozen 25 hour contracts! And all the part time contracts are in one group on the leave sheets, whether they're 35, 34, 30 or 25 hours.