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DEMOCRACY

Post by k979aaa »

In a democracy it is your right nay your privilege and your DUTY! I for one will use mine wisly for if you do no take this simple and yet serrious action all you have fought for will be in vain!. it is to this end i emplore you to do your duty and vote NO
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Post by dongash »

never really been into politics a great deal, but this vote is about our very existance. if they get away with this we might as well pack up and go home!!!! a BIG no vote for me!!!
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Re: DEMOCRACY

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k979aaa wrote:In a democracy it is your right nay your privilege and your DUTY! I for one will use mine wisly for if you do no take this simple and yet serrious action all you have fought for will be in vain!. it is to this end i emplore you to do your duty and vote NO
You start off talking about democracy and then urge people to vote no? Strange that.

Although it is good that on the whole people are able to express opposite views on here without being abused!
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Re: DEMOCRACY

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lovejoy wrote:
k979aaa wrote:In a democracy it is your right nay your privilege and your DUTY! I for one will use mine wisly for if you do no take this simple and yet serrious action all you have fought for will be in vain!. it is to this end i emplore you to do your duty and vote NO
You start off talking about democracy and then urge people to vote no? Strange that.

Although it is good that on the whole people are able to express opposite views on here without being abused!
I agree with you i have an opion but what is most important is everyone and i mean everyone just's VOTE'S.!
lovejoy
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Re: DEMOCRACY

Post by lovejoy »

k979aaa wrote:
lovejoy wrote:
k979aaa wrote:In a democracy it is your right nay your privilege and your DUTY! I for one will use mine wisly for if you do no take this simple and yet serrious action all you have fought for will be in vain!. it is to this end i emplore you to do your duty and vote NO
You start off talking about democracy and then urge people to vote no? Strange that.

Although it is good that on the whole people are able to express opposite views on here without being abused!
I agree with you i have an opion but what is most important is everyone and i mean everyone just's VOTE'S.!
agreed but i doubt we'll even reach a 50% turnout!
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Re: DEMOCRACY

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

lovejoy wrote:
agreed but i doubt we'll even reach a 50% turnout!
Still better in fact nearly double most recent General or Local Elections.
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Re: DEMOCRACY

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lovejoy wrote:
k979aaa wrote:
lovejoy wrote:
k979aaa wrote:In a democracy it is your right nay your privilege and your DUTY! I for one will use mine wisly for if you do no take this simple and yet serrious action all you have fought for will be in vain!. it is to this end i emplore you to do your duty and vote NO
You start off talking about democracy and then urge people to vote no? Strange that.

Although it is good that on the whole people are able to express opposite views on here without being abused!
I agree with you i have an opion but what is most important is everyone and i mean everyone just's VOTE'S.!
agreed but i doubt we'll even reach a 50% turnout!
In all fairness again you probably right but we must make the turnout as big as possible for if all is lost then their will be no hope for the very future you must all VOTEIf you do not vote then royalmail will use your apathy as a willingness to go with their plan's of the DUTCH MODEL part time for the many full time for the few! :shock:
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Post by Spedley »

I've decided I'm going to abstain from voting.

I think the deal is crap and I want to vote NO, however even if a no vote is carried I don't think the union is managed well enough to improve the deal.
There will be more strikes with more strike breakers than last time and more money lost for nothing.

I will not vote yes but I don't believe voting no will achieve anything in our favour.
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Post by k979aaa »

Spedley wrote:I've decided I'm going to abstain from voting.

I think the deal is crap and I want to vote NO, however even if a no vote is carried I don't think the union is managed well enough to improve the deal.
There will be more strikes with more strike breakers than last time and more money lost for nothing.

I will not vote yes but I don't believe voting no will achieve anything in our favour.
If someone does not vote he /she has no say and should not moan nor complain for they shall remain silent forever and ever.! ignoreance is no defence for stupidity!.
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Re: DEMOCRACY

Post by dpb »

lovejoy wrote:
k979aaa wrote:In a democracy it is your right nay your privilege and your DUTY! I for one will use mine wisly for if you do no take this simple and yet serrious action all you have fought for will be in vain!. it is to this end i emplore you to do your duty and vote NO
You start off talking about democracy and then urge people to vote no? Strange that.

Although it is good that on the whole people are able to express opposite views on here without being abused!
surely, influencing peoples voting decisions is a fundemental part of the democatic process
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Post by L Tommo »

Now there are the talkers and there are the do'ers the people who in life talk about all the changes and ways to make things better in an IDEAL world BUT they sit about and do feck all apart from TALK.... Then there are the people who stand up and be accountable for there morals and judgements... MAKE A STAND FOR THERE BELIEFS..... THE PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY WANT CHANGE AND A BETTER LIFE FOR ALL BUT THEY WILL ACTIVELY GO OUT AND SHOW IT IN ACTIONS..... Now im not talking anarchy here or violence..... Im talking making yourselves heard and creating a train of thought all for the greater good.... Some call it CRAZY :crazy: rable rousing???? Some just call it there RIGHTS.... I call it PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND DONT MOAN IF YOUR LIFE/JOB/COUNTRY/ WORLD IS FECKED AND YOU CANT DO ANY MORE... IF YOU NEVER MADE A STAND OR VOTE.....??????

Its time for being PRO-ACTIVE..... Not Just posting on a site... (even as great as this site is.) Its the hard work time, And to show that as a union of people we will not stand for the actions of the goverment and RM....

In some way shape or form ANYONE who comes on this site has an agenda... Either to make a be backing of the NO cause or to back the SCAB/SCREW/GOVERMENT/POSTCOMM/RM CAUSE.... But all in all the individual person just wants what is best for them..... In short or long terms...

SHORT TERMS... = Back to work. head down. earn money. work in a ever down spiralling business...

LONG TERM. = GO OUT ON STRIKE TILL THE FINISH . Lose money now to SAVE our jobs/livelyhoods/ morals/rights and THIS SERVICE WE ALL USE....


THE CHOICE IS YOURS AND MINE..... BE PRO-ACTIVE EITHER WAY... PLEASE DONT SIT ON THE FENCE... THAT IS IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR LIVES AND YOUR CHILDRENS FUTURES...?


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Post by pcb »

Use your vote! Workers gave their lives so you could vote and belong to a trade union.
For me the question is simple will I be fit and able to spend my greatly reduced pension at 65 NO! will I be able to get by without asking the government for a handout when I retire NO!
On the other hand will Leighton and Crozier still afford to fly to New York for Xmas every year YES! Will they still wear suits that cost more than a month of my pay YES! Will they be able to live the life they are accustomed to YES!
Now, I am not jealous, I only want what I signed up for which was a final salary pension. I earn £16,000 a year, I have worked for RM and served the public for 10 years, I also served in the Army for 10 years I am now being told by 2 no marks that I have to work longer for less! Mr Leighton and Mr Crozier I hope you enjoy your retirements, I hope that someone does not come along and s**t all over your plans!.
I will be on the gate when the union calls.
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Post by Spedley »

People seem to think that because you can vote for or against you have to otherwise it is a waste.
That is not true at all. Voting NO because I am 60% sure it is the right thing to do is not a clever move because I also believe that YES is 60% the better option.
I will totally back the result of the vote but I'll leave the decision to those that have more to lose or gain than I do.

My vote isn't wasted, it is undecided.
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Post by dvbuk55 »

The only people who are passionate about this deal either for or against are on this forum.

Go back to your offices on Monday and chat to all and sundry, you will find that hardly anyone cares. If they bother to vote at all it will be yes. 90% of the voters will not have read the full agreement and in many cases those who have read it in part probably don't see the implications.

The workforce today is a much more varied to one of 20 years ago. 20 years ago there wasn't 1 woman in my office which then numbered about 70. No-one was part time. Everyone started their shift at the same time, everyone sorted.

The delivery office environment has changed beyond recognition. At least 30% of those who say they will vote No will really vote Yes.
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Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

What will swing the vote for a big NO in our office is the arrogance of the 'managers'. They're already acting as if there has been a YES vote, and I see it as a duty to relieve them of the idea that we have voted to be shafted by their masters and that set of professional socialists based in Wimbledon.
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