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About the pensions....seems to be a difference of opinion!

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7057779.stm

" Last Updated: Tuesday, 23 October 2007, 10:37 GMT 11:37 UK

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Post staff await pension details

Details of the pension changes have still to be published
Postal staff are awaiting details of changes to their pension scheme, but there is still disagreement between Royal Mail and unions over the reforms.
Royal Mail says the Communication Workers Union (CWU) has agreed to the closure of its final salary scheme.

But the union says it has only agreed to a consultation on changes, which will then be put to a ballot of all its Royal Mail and Post Office members.

"The final details have not been decided on," said a CWU spokeswoman.

Since the start of the year, Royal Mail has wanted to cut the cost of its huge final-salary pension scheme, which covers 160,000 staff but has a deficit of £6.5bn.

Along with changes to working practices, the closure of the existing final-salary scheme and its replacement with cheaper alternatives was at the heart of the postal service's recent industrial dispute.

Settlement

Settled on Monday after days of negotiations, the dispute saw tens of thousands of postal staff on strike at sorting offices and depots around the country.

There will be a ballot right across all CWU members in the Royal Mail group

CWU spokeswoman

Among the issues agreed, said the Royal Mail, were: "The union's support for the company's overall proposed pension reform."

"Royal Mail's proposals include closing the final salary scheme to new members from 31 January 2008 and replacing it with a Defined Contribution scheme [and] introducing a Career Average Defined Benefit scheme for our existing employees from 1 April 2008," it added.

However, a spokeswoman for the CWU said the union was annoyed its stance had been misrepresented.

She said the union had only agreed to a new, separate, process of consultation on the proposed pension changes, which was no longer related to the deal on pay and working conditions.

"Whatever comes out of the consultation, there will be a ballot right across all CWU members in the Royal Mail group, including the Post Office, Parcel Force, cleaners and caterers," she said.

Career average

For existing staff, the crucial issue will be to what extent the new "career average" scheme is worse than their current final salary version.

Overall it will be less generous, requiring Royal Mail to pay in less each year as a percentage of staff salaries, thus cutting the employer's overall contribution rate by perhaps five percentage points, according to one union official.

For staff who expect their salaries at the end of their careers to be significantly higher than when they started, such a scheme would undoubtedly be inferior.

For staff who do not expect much by way of promotional pay increases, it will not be so damaging.

Crucial to the calculation will be the rate at which pension is built up each year.

The CWU says the new scheme will maintain the same accrual rates as the current final salary one, either 1/60th or 1/80th of salary each year.

The BBC has also learned that the plan is for each member's individual pension pot to be revalued each year in line with inflation, up to a ceiling of 5%, rather than being linked to final salary at retirement.

That would expose the members' pensions to being eroded by inflation if it was running at a rate higher than 5%.

Consultation

Neither Royal Mail, trade unions, or the pension scheme itself have published the full details of the impending changes.

This should happen soon, once the formal consultation process required by law begins.

"There is no timetable on it yet," said a Royal Mail spokesman.

"But obviously it will go ahead before next April," he added.

There is, however, some confusion as to how long that consultation will be.

Royal Mail says 60 days, the legal minimum.

However, officials of both the CWU and Unite says they have been told it will last for 90 days."




Sounds like the shortest 'consultation' in history!!
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*edit* Sorry, didn't notice the thread in the Ballot Result forum about this!
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Post by Daniel Dunglas Home »

You'll end up paying more for the same benefits simple as.
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Pension thing

Post by coppertop »

Is it not about time someone got Mr Brown to admitt to the amount he has pilfered from our pension fund , and then make the pratt pay it back because we will end up paying higher contributions to put back the money to cover this huge defecit which we had no part in making so where is the fairness in that ,why should we work till we are 65 to compensate L & C FOR THE TOTAL LACK OF COMPETENCY in running this company
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Post by oxboy »

Simple its fraud and i have to say why the hell are the union even contemplating allowing changes to retirment age.
Its a disgrace pure and simple how they can change from what i can see is a contract that i have entered into stating i want to retire at 60.
Im sorry for new entrants if it closes thats life and you have options but for us that have made those decisions its a different matter altogether as we have put the years in.
Its very simple for me if these changes come in im out of the union which will absolutely gore me but there it is.
I feel so strongly about this im out some union reps that are at the meeting this weekend should be absolutely clear about this of course I could go for one of the top union positions then i could retire alot sooner 60 or nothing.
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Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

Don't leave mate. Let the soft sods at HQ know how you feel, but I think we're going to need militant brothers and sistes in the future.
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Post by strangler »

oxboy wrote:Simple its fraud and i have to say why the hell are the union even contemplating allowing changes to retirment age.
Its a disgrace pure and simple how they can change from what i can see is a contract that i have entered into stating i want to retire at 60.
Im sorry for new entrants if it closes thats life and you have options but for us that have made those decisions its a different matter altogether as we have put the years in.
Its very simple for me if these changes come in im out of the union which will absolutely gore me but there it is.
I feel so strongly about this im out some union reps that are at the meeting this weekend should be absolutely clear about this of course I could go for one of the top union positions then i could retire alot sooner 60 or nothing.
If CWU agrees to these pension changes, I`ll also be coming out of the union, they`re supposed to protect their members that`s their job. Now that any ballot re pensions has been put back 3 months or more I can`t see strikes looming again over this issue. That`s the danger of it being 'de- coupled' from the deal.
The real dilemma on this subject is the CWU position re new starters. The union wanted final salary scheme for all. I was originally pissed off about this as I believed the union should be fighting for it`s members now.
However good points have been made that if new starters go in a different scheme they will eventually out number those on final salary scheme and we`ll be up s**t creek anyway if RM come back for our pensions as those on different scheme wouldn`t strike for us!