Cutting off

Gladysrocker · Post by **Gladysrocker** » 07 Jul 2017, 17:01

Hi, I'm a newbie still finding my feet and learning procedures like cutting off etc.
My question is if you cut off for any reason and bring a considerable amount of mail back to the DO what do you do with it?

Post by **woody38** » 07 Jul 2017, 18:40

Gladysrocker wrote:Hi, I'm a newbie still finding my feet and learning procedures like cutting off etc.
My question is if you cut off for any reason and bring a considerable amount of mail back to the DO what do you do with it?

At our office u have to tell them if you thing u are not going to be able to deliver the mail before u go out, nobody ever brings Mail back ever.

blisterfeet · Post by **blisterfeet** » 07 Jul 2017, 19:45

Gladysrocker wrote:Hi, I'm a newbie still finding my feet and learning procedures like cutting off etc.
My question is if you cut off for any reason and bring a considerable amount of mail back to the DO what do you do with it?

ALWAYS make sure you speak to your manager before you leave if you think you'll have to bring anything back but don't let them pressure you or bully you into working over your finish time. If they insist on you taking all the delivery out with you ask them what they want you to do with the mail you won't have time to deliver. If they don't give you an answer because they keep saying you'll be able to finish your route just inform them you are willing to work to your finish time and any mail that can't be delivered in your duty time you will bring back to the office and leave in the managers room. When you get back try to find a manager and inform them you've brought mail back as you informed them in the morning you would be doing. If possible have witnesses to the discussion with your manager so they can't turn to you and say you never informed them.

twoloops · Post by **twoloops** » 07 Jul 2017, 21:38

You would be lucky to find a manager after 13:30 in our DO and all their offices would be locked.

Gladysrocker · Post by **Gladysrocker** » 08 Jul 2017, 06:23

I was told to cut off because of an overtime ban. I go over at least an hour every day because I'm a part timer paired up with a full timer on a long walk. It was his day off and someone who didn't know his walk so we didn't get out till 10 o clock. We were told to make sure all the tracked got done and bring back any mail we didn't get done 15 minutes before our finish time. We ended up bringing about 6 bags back but we're still 15 minutes over after unloading the van but then got told we had to throw all the undelivered mail back on the frame! I just wondered what the correct procedure was because I obviously wasn't going to be paid for it.

hampshireman · Post by **hampshireman** » 08 Jul 2017, 18:29

Gladysrocker wrote:I was told to cut off because of an overtime ban. I go over at least an hour every day because I'm a part timer paired up with a full timer on a long walk. It was his day off and someone who didn't know his walk so we didn't get out till 10 o clock. We were told to make sure all the tracked got done and bring back any mail we didn't get done 15 minutes before our finish time. We ended up bringing about 6 bags back but we're still 15 minutes over after unloading the van but then got told we had to throw all the undelivered mail back on the frame! I just wondered what the correct procedure was because I obviously wasn't going to be paid for it.

You have to tell them to get stuffed..

Shameful management

Newbie001 · Post by **Newbie001** » 08 Jul 2017, 20:04

Gladysrocker wrote:I was told to cut off because of an overtime ban. I go over at least an hour every day because I'm a part timer paired up with a full timer on a long walk. It was his day off and someone who didn't know his walk so we didn't get out till 10 o clock. We were told to make sure all the tracked got done and bring back any mail we didn't get done 15 minutes before our finish time. We ended up bringing about 6 bags back but we're still 15 minutes over after unloading the van but then got told we had to throw all the undelivered mail back on the frame! I just wondered what the correct procedure was because I obviously wasn't going to be paid for it.

Where is your rep in all this. If they want you to put it back in frame then they have to give you o/t. And obviously there's a ban so you just leave it where they tell you. Their problem to sort out.

Post by **Lincox** » 09 Jul 2017, 18:36

Work to your time. If they want you to go over your time get them to confirm in writing, text or email to you that you will be paid overtime, that is if you are willing to do overtime. If not then make sue you complete the signing out form or whatever it is you complete to confirm that you have worked your hours. At that point you walk out the door and forget about the place until you are due to start your next shift. Under no circumstances start working hours for nothing. You will be expected to do it all the time.

Post by **woody38** » 09 Jul 2017, 19:24

Some offices like ours ar not allowed to bring Mail back, the last person who did was sacked for wilfully delaying mail

South_London_Postie · Post by **South_London_Postie** » 10 Jul 2017, 09:19

woody38 wrote:Some offices like ours ar not allowed to bring Mail back, the last person who did was sacked for wilfully delaying mail

Lol you what?, follow the over running procedure and you cannot be touched.

Glp28357 · Post by **Glp28357** » 10 Jul 2017, 11:35

What is the "over running procedure" please?

Post by **POSTMAN** » 10 Jul 2017, 12:05

Prior to commencement of delivery

On completion of their preparation, where an employee believes that they may experience difficulty in completing their delivery within the authorised time allotted,they should approach their manager as soon as possible before setting out on delivery.

It will be for the manager to discuss any problem and advise the employee what particular action should be taken, including the consideration of collection on delivery around associated post boxes to enable USO compliance.

When an employee has requested assistance on delivery, but the manager believes that assistance is not required, the decision, along with the advice given to the employee, should be recorded and associated with the daily traffic volume record.

The employee can have access to this record and may ask to see it prior to commencement of their delivery.

The employee should be encouraged to see their union representative if agreement cannot be reached.

Instances where there is a difference of opinion between the employee and the manager about what is possible during the shift will be looked at individually within the unit on the basis of factual evidence.

Such differences will be addressed prior to the employee leaving the office for delivery.

The employee and manager should agree a specified time to phone if full completion of delivery workload within the allocated time proves not to be possible. If it becomes obvious that the delivery may be a problem, the employee can contact the manager before the arranged time.

After commencement of delivery

Where an employee is prevented from completing their delivery for any reason, it is essential that this is reported immediately, either by returning to the office or by phone. A written record will be kept. All employees should be informed of the local authorised arrangements in writing.

Which is inside this joint statement on failure reporting...
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Managers should have no excuses going forwards in terms of mistreating our members with threats of conduct if the process is followed correctly as this is explicit and contained within the actual text of the agreed process.