Election Material Payments

Locky1955 · Post by **Locky1955** » 16 May 2017, 16:09

Hi

Can anyone give me a firm answer to these questions

I currently work indoors only due to a back pain problem and prep various rounds in the mornings and then cover the Callers Duties.

Usually the Posties who preps and delivers his/her own round will get the payments for that extra work, as I am prepping numerous rounds which soon will include this Election Material, will I be entitled to some of the payment usually given to the delivery person, for those rounds? Who should I talk to about this, I have already broached the subject with a Manager and got nowhere.

Question two

When rounds are lapsed how is this payment taken into account for the people who do the bit extra?

Hope someone can help.

paulj3001 · Post by **paulj3001** » 16 May 2017, 16:44

Q1 No, the payment is for Delivery of the item
Q2 Each person will have to count the amount they deliver

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 16 May 2017, 16:51

There is no clear agreement on this.
It would be fair, in my opinion, for you to share the payment with whoever delivers it.
But this would be down to an agreement between you and them.

You could always email Moya at justsayit@royalmail.com and see what she says.

Darren Bent · Post by **Darren Bent** » 16 May 2017, 19:05

if there is 100 postal workers in the office then all the election money should be dividend by 100 as long they have been in work or involved with delivery/preparation. Do you think this is a fairer system or not ?

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 16 May 2017, 19:08

Darren Bent wrote:if there is 100 postal workers in the office then all the election money should be dividend by 100 as long they have been in work or involved with delivery/preparation. Do you think this is a fairer system or not ?

seems to be screwing those with a longer delivery yet again

Newbie001 · Post by **Newbie001** » 16 May 2017, 19:55

Postie45 wrote:
Darren Bent wrote:if there is 100 postal workers in the office then all the election money should be dividend by 100 as long they have been in work or involved with delivery/preparation. Do you think this is a fairer system or not ?
seems to be screwing those with a longer delivery yet again

Longer delivery does not necessarily mean more calls though. Would probably be fair to share equally. But this might be last year ever so might as well fill your boots.

plaguelift · Post by **plaguelift** » 16 May 2017, 20:06

I would be in agreement with clashcity on this one. I don't think there's a definite agreement on this one. I have in the past witnessed in our office the preppers and deliverers split the election payment between them (for example a duty with 1000 poll cards, prepper claims for 500, deliverer claims for 500). I wouldnt have a problem with this myself. If you prep and deliver it, then claim it all, but if someone is prepping your frame, why should they not get paid for their extra workload 'cos you can't claim overtime for it.

fed_up_postie · Post by **fed_up_postie** » 16 May 2017, 21:46

plaguelift wrote:I would be in agreement with clashcity on this one. I don't think there's a definite agreement on this one. I have in the past witnessed in our office the preppers and deliverers split the election payment between them (for example a duty with 1000 poll cards, prepper claims for 500, deliverer claims for 500). I wouldnt have a problem with this myself. If you prep and deliver it, then claim it all, but if someone is prepping your frame, why should they not get paid for their extra workload 'cos you can't claim overtime for it.

So what you are saying is a double prepper should get paid for half of his/her partners election payments as he/she has prepped them for him/her

the agreement is simple.... delivery staff claim for the DELIVERY of all election leaflets! Mail centre staff don't claim for sorting them so why would someone on light/indoor duties be able to claim for them

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 16 May 2017, 21:48

fed_up_postie wrote:
plaguelift wrote:I would be in agreement with clashcity on this one. I don't think there's a definite agreement on this one. I have in the past witnessed in our office the preppers and deliverers split the election payment between them (for example a duty with 1000 poll cards, prepper claims for 500, deliverer claims for 500). I wouldnt have a problem with this myself. If you prep and deliver it, then claim it all, but if someone is prepping your frame, why should they not get paid for their extra workload 'cos you can't claim overtime for it.
So what you are saying is a double prepper should get paid for half of his/her partners election payments as he/she has prepped them for him/her the agreement is simple.... delivery staff claim for the DELIVERY of all election leaflets! Mail centre staff don't claim for sorting them so why would someone on light/indoor duties be able to claim for them

correct!

raymod · Post by **raymod** » 16 May 2017, 22:00

Can imagine the sudden wave of light indoor duties coming in the next 4 weeks or plenty of volunteers to double prep if that was the case. Simple solution don't put the election stuff in the frame. If I'm delivering I want paying regardless who prepped it.

plaguelift · Post by **plaguelift** » 17 May 2017, 19:25

fed_up_postie wrote:
plaguelift wrote:I would be in agreement with clashcity on this one. I don't think there's a definite agreement on this one. I have in the past witnessed in our office the preppers and deliverers split the election payment between them (for example a duty with 1000 poll cards, prepper claims for 500, deliverer claims for 500). I wouldnt have a problem with this myself. If you prep and deliver it, then claim it all, but if someone is prepping your frame, why should they not get paid for their extra workload 'cos you can't claim overtime for it.
So what you are saying is a double prepper should get paid for half of his/her partners election payments as he/she has prepped them for him/her the agreement is simple.... delivery staff claim for the DELIVERY of all election leaflets! Mail centre staff don't claim for sorting them so why would someone on light/indoor duties be able to claim for them

I see where you're coming from, but can anyone find an agreement which says that payment is only for the DELIVERY of the poll cards.

cpsteve · Post by **cpsteve** » 17 May 2017, 23:51

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 18 May 2017, 05:51

fed_up_postie wrote:
So what you are saying is a double prepper should get paid for half of his/her partners election payments as he/she has prepped them for him/her the agreement is simple.... delivery staff claim for the DELIVERY of all election leaflets! Mail centre staff don't claim for sorting them so why would someone on light/indoor duties be able to claim for them

No.
In a van share you work as a team.
One preps, one is on IPS - it is a quid pro quo. You could always swap over.
In the original post, someone on light duties is prepping the election material for someone on delivery. It is all one way traffic (even if the are using a HCT).

So the solution is simple - either they agree to split the payment (which is fair and logical) or the selfish w****r on delivery can prep the election material themselves if they want to hog all the payment.
It is however encouraging to see that my DO isn't the only one staffed by pathetic little money-grabbing selfish people. I'm sure they are what made the trade union what it is today.

plaguelift · Post by **plaguelift** » 18 May 2017, 17:39

I agree with clashcity. This happens in our office. POLL CARDS and ADDRESSED ELECTION MATERIAL are prepped by the one who delivers it so as they can claim all the money (or in a van share they split the money equally). Unaddressed election material is treated like a door to door (is not prepped) so the person delivering it can claim all the money.

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 18 May 2017, 19:39

clashcityrocker wrote:
fed_up_postie wrote:
So what you are saying is a double prepper should get paid for half of his/her partners election payments as he/she has prepped them for him/her the agreement is simple.... delivery staff claim for the DELIVERY of all election leaflets! Mail centre staff don't claim for sorting them so why would someone on light/indoor duties be able to claim for them
No.
In a van share you work as a team.
One preps, one is on IPS - it is a quid pro quo. You could always swap over.
In the original post, someone on light duties is prepping the election material for someone on delivery. It is all one way traffic (even if the are using a HCT).

So the solution is simple - either they agree to split the payment (which is fair and logical) or the selfish w****r on delivery can prep the election material themselves if they want to hog all the payment.
It is however encouraging to see that my DO isn't the only one staffed by pathetic little money-grabbing selfish people. I'm sure they are what made the trade union what it is today.

when 2 ft's are in our office one preps his frame and his partners while his partner preps 2 other frames.

he claim not only his and his partners frame and 1/2 of the 2 other walks his prepped.

no he gets what he delivers