Lapsing Duties

Postie3N4 · Post by **Postie3N4** » 28 Nov 2016, 22:39

We are at the busiest time of year and tomorrow we are having to lapse duties due to sickness, obviously this will take us into overtime, do we have to do this? Also when lapsing we have to do the lapsed duty before our own duty so if we are taking mail back it is from our own duty, is this what happens everywhere else?

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 29 Nov 2016, 04:39

On one hand, you don't have to lapse if you don't have time.

On the other, you can't refuse a reasonable request. If the manager tells you to takeout 'xxx' streets or bundles or duty, then you have to do it. It's not lapsing anymore.

Then of course, you have the whole over-running procedure talk with manager. What should I leave behind? Be firm if you don't want the overtime. Tell him you'll be working til 3:10 in order to be back at office for 3:20 and finish at 3:30 (or whatever your finish time is).

hatetheboss · Post by **hatetheboss** » 29 Nov 2016, 16:55

Lapsing can only be implemented based on traffic forecast and agreed with the CWU Rep at a weekly resource meeting. During this time of the year, it is not possible to lapse any duties and the Rep should have already agreed to this. Therefore there should be no lapsing.

If the manager then wants to ask if any members of staff would like to take extra on overtime this is acceptable then it becomes a choice. There is no point taking part of another round to leave some of your own, I would ask the question are the failures been reported?

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 29 Nov 2016, 16:56

hahaha , tell him/her to shove it and just work to your time ,

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 29 Nov 2016, 17:29

The agreement is that lapsing cannot be used to cover absence,where's your union in all this?

enskied · Post by **enskied** » 29 Nov 2016, 17:34

Postie3N4 wrote:We are at the busiest time of year and tomorrow we are having to lapse duties due to sickness, obviously this will take us into overtime, do we have to do this? Also when lapsing we have to do the lapsed duty before our own duty so if we are taking mail back it is from our own duty, is this what happens everywhere else?

Lapsing is to work load not to sickness. Tell your dom you will leave the lapsed duty in and complete it if you have time when you get back. Don't take it out with you. Your duty is "tmed" it takes you X hours to complete it, you do that first, it is what you are paid for.

Your Dom has the responsibility to clear his/her office> if you take it out it is signed off as clear even though it or something else is coming back. Leave it in and say you will do it if you can after doing your job.

Harv12 · Post by **Harv12** » 29 Nov 2016, 18:25

Tried to lapse 3 jobs last tuesday and 1 today at our office, all due to sickness and not fully staffed.

ewancurze · Post by **ewancurze** » 29 Nov 2016, 19:20

rubberbond wrote:The agreement is that lapsing cannot be used to cover absence,where's your union in all this?

Every Saturday we have lapsing due to Sickness.
The more lapsing the more sickness!
By Christmas Eve it will be 3 walks each at the rate it is going now...

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 30 Nov 2016, 10:41

hatetheboss wrote:Lapsing can only be implemented based on traffic forecast and agreed with the CWU Rep at a weekly resource meeting. During this time of the year, it is not possible to lapse any duties and the Rep should have already agreed to this. Therefore there should be no lapsing.

Exactly. The manager should be coming up to you and saying would you like to deliver this on overtime? What actually happens is the manager comes up to you and says 'There's your lapsing', making people think they have no choice.

The definition of Lapsing has become twisted. I'll go in after my day off and ask who did my duty. I'll be told that the floater was sick so it was lapsed. We'll get a message: Bill has called in sick so we are lapsing his duty today.

Bert66 · Post by **Bert66** » 18 Mar 2017, 16:23

rubberbond wrote:The agreement is that lapsing cannot be used to cover absence,where's your union in all this?

Old thread but could someone point me to the agreement that says that lapsing can't be used to cover absence please.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 18 Mar 2017, 16:40

Bert66 wrote:
rubberbond wrote:The agreement is that lapsing cannot be used to cover absence,where's your union in all this?
Old thread but could someone point me to the agreement that says that lapsing can't be used to cover absence please.

There isn't one because it isn't really true.

Bert66 · Post by **Bert66** » 19 Mar 2017, 13:13

So adhoc lapsing can be utilised to cover short term absence over and above the agreed weekly resourcing plan and as a union we have to accept this then?

Destiny · Post by **Destiny** » 19 Mar 2017, 14:54

Nothing to do with the union though, if you have time then it's RM time?

We have (should have) one on lapsing but somehow they get them doing 3 and still finish early

Bert66 · Post by **Bert66** » 19 Mar 2017, 15:52

Destiny wrote:Nothing to do with the union though, if you have time then it's RM time?

We have (should have) one on lapsing but somehow they get them doing 3 and still finish early

My point is as a union rep we have a "lockdown" when we agree the hours/planned lapsing ahead in the weekly resource meeting but whats the point of it if management can overide this, when a few people go sick? Surely less people in the office because of the sickness means less man hours to do the originally forecasted work, which would mean on paper this adhoc/enforced lapsing couldn't be achieved.

I've no problem management sending people back out if they come back early but lapsing is a mathmatical formula consisting of traffic/hours and if there isn't enough hours it shouldn't be proposed.

Destiny · Post by **Destiny** » 19 Mar 2017, 16:09

Exactly Bert, there aren't enough hours BUT.......
My office we have 2 reps both same problem!