Should HCT Duties have to do lapsing?

scoobydo79 · Post by **scoobydo79** » 10 Mar 2017, 19:06

It seems not in My office. Park and loop only

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Post by **eastie** » 10 Mar 2017, 19:23

scoobydo79 wrote:It seems not in My office. Park and loop only .

Not in ours either because there are no vans to take them out to do it

visigoth · Post by **visigoth** » 10 Mar 2017, 19:46

I was on an hct duty that did lapsing a couple of times, but was then moved to a different hct duty that gets more stuff (e.g. 121 kg today) so it hasn't come up since. I'd imagine if you're asked it would count as a reasonable request ... but then it would depend if you've time. There's no obligation to go over your hours.

Ozzvaldo · Post by **Ozzvaldo** » 10 Mar 2017, 20:04

In my office the dozen HCT duties only have about 3 hour deliveries, whereas the van shares are all 4 hours plus. All the HCT folk have to do lapsing, moan about it, and yet are all sat at home home while the van shares are only halfway around their second walk.

t3mcIUQWE2 · Post by **t3mcIUQWE2** » 10 Mar 2017, 20:07

Surely it's the HCT duties that get lapsed?

Ozzvaldo · Post by **Ozzvaldo** » 10 Mar 2017, 22:01

t3mcIUQWE2 wrote:Surely it's the HCT duties that get lapsed?

The dozen HCT duties I referred to are those remaining AFTER several others are lapsed. We also have a couple of shared van duties where one of the walks is lapsed for other shared van duties to deliver, the remaining walk being delivered as a singleton using a van.

scoobydo79 · Post by **scoobydo79** » 11 Mar 2017, 13:57

Its a stitch up. The HCT duties in My office are the ones who can get back early. Managers see all the time they make decide We can handle more lapsing so it gets dumped on the P&L duties

.Its gonna kick off pretty soon big time

t3mcIUQWE2 · Post by **t3mcIUQWE2** » 11 Mar 2017, 14:56

In my office it is only the runners who do it. Mugs.

scoobydo79 · Post by **scoobydo79** » 11 Mar 2017, 16:03

t3mcIUQWE2 wrote:In my office it is only the runners who do it. Mugs.

Yeah I know what You mean mate but its the principle. I know, I know lapse if You have time dont if You havent etc etc but its the same ones being put upon. If You are a full time, sorter and on park and loop Your getting more and more dumped on You.

Destiny · Post by **Destiny** » 11 Mar 2017, 17:16

If it's a problem of fairness then get them to lapse indoor before delivery.

yubin282 · Post by **yubin282** » 11 Mar 2017, 19:48

all HCT duties in my office had extra added onto there walks

DiamondSmiles · Post by **DiamondSmiles** » 11 Mar 2017, 21:04

In my office the HCT's don't have outdoor lapsing but they do prep another delivery. The 1 in 6 HCT's have an earlier finish time than the 9 dayers but more often than not the 9 dayers get back at the same time as the HCT duties and get to go at the same time. Today, (Sat) the 9 dayers were finishing 1.5-2 hours early. Obvious to me who needs to be doing the bulk of the lapsing.

Whysoslowyehcfc · Post by **Whysoslowyehcfc** » 12 Mar 2017, 09:23

I've worked with planners, and we were told that HCT walks are supposed to be 30 minutes LONGER then cdvs, this was backed up by area and division reps and doms boss.
The reason is because that they are normally the closest deliveries to the office.
Any walk that is more then a mile away or has a block of flats which take longer then 10 mins to deliver cannot be a HCT DELIVERY, that is why the cdvs are SUPPOSED to be 30 mins shorter.
BUT I've been told (and someone in the know can correct me), that RM don't want to use geo route/Pegasus anymore as they have realised that with so many new builds it means that they show that more deliverys are needed.
I've been withdrawn next week to work out how to fit 1740 new delivery points into our office without putting in more walks.

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 12 Mar 2017, 17:27

Whysoslowyehcfc wrote:I've worked with planners, and we were told that HCT walks are supposed to be 30 minutes LONGER then cdvs, this was backed up by area and division reps and doms boss.
The reason is because that they are normally the closest deliveries to the office.
Any walk that is more then a mile away or has a block of flats which take longer then 10 mins to deliver cannot be a HCT DELIVERY, that is why the cdvs are SUPPOSED to be 30 mins shorter.
BUT I've been told (and someone in the know can correct me), that RM don't want to use geo route/Pegasus anymore as they have realised that with so many new builds it means that they show that more deliverys are needed.
I've been withdrawn next week to work out how to fit 1740 new delivery points into our office without putting in more walks.

I suspect Royal mail aren't really interested in Revisions any more because of things like this. It seems a case of, "You lot have agreed to a revision, now you're stuck with it, get on and deliver it"! The biggest problem we had was it was agreed to have a "Trial Period" to see if our Original Revision was working. There was then meant to be a Review and any adjustments made to un-even duties. This never happened.

Nowadays with the information available from the new PDAs, and the in vehicle telemetry (Trimble?) surely it's not that hard to plan duties more accurately?

On the point of adding 1740 without putting in more walks seems to be a real piss taker. Surely that's at least 2 more duties (870 Delivery points each)? Unless you've got a hell of a lot of Duties that are coming back and hour early ever day?

scoobydo79 · Post by **scoobydo79** » 12 Mar 2017, 20:50

Yes as above. We were pretty much told We were all taking the p--s. A planner went out on a few walks found out how sh-- they were, got back about 4.30 and We never saw Him or heard any thing again lol