Diffbulator in delivery offices

Lynch · Post by **Lynch** » 23 Feb 2017, 21:39

Hi any office out there have a diffbulator our office has fund raised bought one only to be told we can't have it in our office!!!

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 23 Feb 2017, 21:56

What reason did they give for not allowing it?

Lynch · Post by **Lynch** » 23 Feb 2017, 22:09

Maintenance of diffbulator ( not required) training on how to use ( not required) I think the guy that has been trying to get this installed has a less than mediocre rapore with the dom, it's madness on the part of those who are against it. Karma!

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 23 Feb 2017, 22:23

Shame on them

I'd by-pass local management and contact head office, you'll probably find a photographer arriving to take a picture for an article in the Courier and your DOM will be saying how "you all pulled together to make this happen"

Post by **adb2aber** » 24 Feb 2017, 07:25

Lynch wrote:Maintenance of diffbulator ( not required) training on how to use ( not required) I think the guy that has been trying to get this installed has a less than mediocre rapore with the dom, it's madness on the part of those who are against it. Karma!

Actually, maintenance is required.

Minimum of monthly checks, replacement of expiring pads (cost), renewal of battery (big cost). Someone needs training to do that.

The you have the other side of it - reporting on each time it is deployed, uploading the data from each use. Someone needs training to do that and contact with your regional Safety, Health & Environment coordinator.

Whilst AEDs will talk you through or have diagrams to show applying pads and keeping clear it isn't telling you everything. Do you know when to stop and restart compressions? What it means when it refuses to deliver a shock? Why there's a razor and a towel in the pack? How to keep yourself safe when shocking? This is why every site with an AED when the first aiders get refresher training they go through the full works.

There's more to it than hanging it from a wall.

GRS · Post by **GRS** » 24 Feb 2017, 18:58

I don't pretend to have any knowledge on the workings or maintenance of these but does the manager think that he is exempt from a heart attack. Would be ironic if he refused it and then was the one whose life could had been saved by it (not that I wish any ill health upon him).

Mobey · Post by **Mobey** » 24 Feb 2017, 18:59

adb2aber wrote: Minimum of monthly checks, replacement of expiring pads (cost), renewal of battery (big cost). Someone needs training to do that.

Yes I agree monthly checks need to be done. However obviously depending on the brand they are cheap. The battery is a big expense but do last a while. Is it really worth grumbling about the cost when it could save someone's life depending if the heart rhythm is shock able?

The you have the other side of it - reporting on each time it is deployed, uploading the data from each use.

This should be done by the Health and Safety department or sent away to an external body so it can be downloaded.

Someone needs training to do that and contact with your regional Safety, Health & Environment coordinator.

Whilst AEDs will talk you through or have diagrams to show applying pads and keeping clear it isn't telling you everything.

Even if your not sure ambulance control will tell you what to do.

Do you know when to stop and restart compressions?

The machine will tell you what to do. Its very simple, they are designed so they could be operated by anybody.

What it means when it refuses to deliver a shock?

The heart isnt in a shockable rythym, carry on with compressions and rescue breaths.

there's a razor and a towel in the pack?

To shave a hairy chest and a towel to dry sweat or water but you don't have to spend ages shaving them as that will waste time.

How to keep yourself safe when shocking?

Remove anything metal, don't touch the person when shocking them. Keep still and everyone else still when the aed is checking the person. Remove any oxygen if there is any.

why every site with an AED when the first aiders get refresher training they go through the full works.

There's more to it than hanging it from a wall.

Whilst it sounds like you have the knowledge, education saves lives. The way your reply comes across seems dismissive and reinforces that you need to be "trained" to use it, which you don't necessarily have too.

blakeyboy · Post by **blakeyboy** » 25 Feb 2017, 08:45

I thought it was a defribrillator?

Mobey · Post by **Mobey** » 25 Feb 2017, 10:25

Or an AED.

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 25 Feb 2017, 16:26

Of course you need training, you can't just let any clown use it, without proper training, who knows what damage will be wrought ,even if it is automatic.

Mobey · Post by **Mobey** » 25 Feb 2017, 17:48

What damage do you think can be done?

wookie · Post by **wookie** » 25 Feb 2017, 18:36

This is in fact a good idea, but full training must be given. We have 2 'medical' staff, and all they can do is give people plasters for cuts etc....

yellowbelly · Post by **yellowbelly** » 25 Feb 2017, 20:31

wookie wrote:This is in fact a good idea, but full training must be given. We have 2 'medical' staff, and all they can do is give people plasters for cuts etc....

So who trains the people who may be called upon to use the ones that are sited for use by the general public in old phone boxes, in pubs, outside chemists etc.?

Yes I know you have to call 999 to get the code to unlock the box it is installed in and they guide you through it, but surely the same could apply in the workplace?

Stunl3y · Post by **Stunl3y** » 26 Feb 2017, 14:15

We have one in our office it gets used by the time Friday comes and we are all out on our feet

Decky Boy · Post by **Decky Boy** » 26 Feb 2017, 15:15

Modern AEDs or " defibrillators" talk users through the process and will advise if a shock is required to stop the heart completely. The Royal Mail First Aid Course I recently attended gave training on the use of Defibrillators... so moving forward all Royal Mail First Aiders will be qualified to use them... if and when required. At an outlay of around £1,000 each I think it's money well spent.... what price a life ?

Defibs can also be used by members of the public generally as the unit talks the user through the checks and application of a shock. Early use of a defibrillator can often save a life.