Overtime

Millbank33 · Post by **Millbank33** » 27 Jul 2016, 15:52

Hi could some one help me, I'm suppose to be on holiday this week, however I have been called into work so far every day this week, I'm I entitled to claim these days as over time?

crazyshrew · Post by **crazyshrew** » 27 Jul 2016, 16:14

Officially no as no work is to be performed during annual leave. By working it you are running the risk of allowing RM to not provide you with your statutory leave entitlement.

People working AL makes people understandably angry for a few reasons:
A, someone else may have wanted this week and to see someone with it booked but working it must be very frustrating (school holiday week. plenty of parents, who would have done anything to get more school holiday time off)
B, In some places it aids in covering up understaffing issues - "No we don't need more staff, xy&z will always work their weeks off)

That said, things happen - suddenly half the office/area is off with flu and there's literally no-one left to cover. And, because you've had to book you AL so far in advance, possibly just taking what ever's left you've ended up with a dud week and feel your time is more usefully spent helping out the office (better than returning on Mondy to a duty that hasn't ben touched for a few days)

The best (most official-ish) way of doing it would be to cancel the annual leave booked on the days that have been worked and have those days in credit to use at a future date - when you really need/want them.

I would advise that in future make sure you ask exactly how these days will be paid back to you.

GRS · Post by **GRS** » 27 Jul 2016, 16:23

You shouldn't be paid for working Annual Leave instead it should be claimed back to book at a later date. If it was known in advance that someone was going to work their leave then the week they vacate should be put up for someone else to book. As the above poster said nothing pisses people off more than seeing someone coming in to work when they should be on leave as there will be others who may have wanted that specific week especially if their partner or kids are off that week. I have to say it seems a strange question though as you say you have been called in every day this week, surely you must have agreed to that before you went on leave in which case I would have thought you would have asked this question of your manager at that time.

Millbank33 · Post by **Millbank33** » 27 Jul 2016, 16:35

GRS wrote:You shouldn't be paid for working Annual Leave instead it should be claimed back to book at a later date. If it was known in advance that someone was going to work their leave then the week they vacate should be put up for someone else to book. As the above poster said nothing pisses people off more than seeing someone coming in to work when they should be on leave as there will be others who may have wanted that specific week especially if their partner or kids are off that week. I have to say it seems a strange question though as you say you have been called in every day this week, surely you must have agreed to that before you went on leave in which case I would have thought you would have asked this question of your manager at that time.

I was called in to cover people of sick. I'm only doing it to help out.
Thanks for answers.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 27 Jul 2016, 17:09

Millbank33 wrote: I was called in to cover people of sick. I'm only doing it to help out.
Thanks for answers.

Then you are in the driving seat. Officially you can't have leave and do overtime at the same time. Unofficially it happens, it shouldn't but it does.

1. If you would prefer the leave then insist on getting the worked days back at times you want them. If you can plan them now while you are in a position of power then you'll have more chance of getting the ones you want.

2. If you would prefer the money then ASK for it as overtime and make sure they pay it.

My own personal advice is if they get sticky about doing what you want then find out you have something planned for later this week and while you would like to help them out....... . Watch them change their tune.

daveyeff · Post by **daveyeff** » 27 Jul 2016, 19:13

there's a bloke at ours who works nearly ALL his A/L every year. he's a heavy gambler so he's always chasing more money. when they ask him in to work when he's off he always lays it out for them. either he gets paid or he doesn't come in. he always gets paid. he makes over 50 hrs per week on top of his weekly pay, sometimes having over 100 hrs for a week worked.

Post by **aiden01** » 27 Jul 2016, 22:42

daveyeff wrote:there's a bloke at ours who works nearly ALL his A/L every year. he's a heavy gambler so he's always chasing more money. when they ask him in to work when he's off he always lays it out for them. either he gets paid or he doesn't come in. he always gets paid. he makes over 50 hrs per week on top of his weekly pay, sometimes having over 100 hrs for a week worked.

And hr can't see this absolutely crazy.

lala · Post by **lala** » 28 Jul 2016, 05:13

Would I be correct in thinking you are worse off is you claim OT on annual leave?

You would get your basic pay (for being on leave) plus OT which would hit you heavy on tax.

If you claim back the annual leave and have a normal paid week wouldn't you have more in your pocket?

CAMPINGBLUNDERER · Post by **CAMPINGBLUNDERER** » 28 Jul 2016, 08:24

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
Millbank33 wrote: I was called in to cover people of sick. I'm only doing it to help out.
Thanks for answers.

Then you are in the driving seat. Officially you can't have leave and do overtime at the same time. Unofficially it happens, it shouldn't but it does.

1. If you would prefer the leave then insist on getting the worked days back at times you want them. If you can plan them now while you are in a position of power then you'll have more chance of getting the ones you want.

I've just done something similar working a day off as my office was understaffed due to sickness , the cost to my manager for working my day off was time off in December when I needed it with no arguments.

The trick to it is being very specific as to when you call in the debt , not being vague. Oh and getting a copy of you leave sheet showing the lieu day so there is no confusion later on

crazyshrew · Post by **crazyshrew** » 28 Jul 2016, 15:30

lala wrote:Would I be correct in thinking you are worse off is you claim OT on annual leave?

You would get your basic pay (for being on leave) plus OT which would hit you heavy on tax.

If you claim back the annual leave and have a normal paid week wouldn't you have more in your pocket?

No, although it looks horrendous on the payslip tax is "only" 20% of all earnings above your personal allowance (about £211 a week depending on your personal circumstances) and NI deductions are 12% on everything over £155.
It looks like you lose a lot more but you don't really.
After adding in (or taking away) pension contributions for PTers up to 39 hrs is pensionable) OT is still worth about £6.50ish by the time it hits your pocket.