Union Elections

Post by **barkersboy** » 19 Oct 2007, 22:42

Why do we vote for people we dont know. Most members of the union dont know Dave from Billy. What they vote for is the recommendations from the branches. So the branch officers are responsible for union leaders.
There now has to be some other form of influencing the membership.
I have heard a lot of good vibes for Bob Gibson and I know nothing about him.
The leader of Liverpool wildcats (apologise for not recalling his name) seems to be someone who stands for his members.
The point is, " we dont know adam from Eve".
Any suggestions where we go from here?
Nobody wants another Billy & Dave act.

andy2007 · Post by **andy2007** » 20 Oct 2007, 05:39

I know what you mean. The only time I know anything other than what the candidates tell us, is when they have already done the job previously.

But the only other choice would be to not vote at all, and that would be worse.

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 20 Oct 2007, 13:34

I read through the booklet, and as soon as I see a candidate is a member of the Labour Party, they've lost my vote. I'm suspicious of any trade unionist remaining in membership of the Labour Party ten years after Bliar and Brown and their refusal to repeal any of the anti-trade union laws Thatcher and Tebbit passed.

Tread · Post by **Tread** » 20 Oct 2007, 13:45

well Lads I'm new to Royalmailchat but but in any future Election I expect to get an informed view of the candidates here, which will help to cut through the bull.
Maybe then we'll get the right man for the Job.

doorstep it · Post by **doorstep it** » 20 Oct 2007, 13:57

maybe in future elections, the candidates could come to our local areas and canvass for our votes?

Post by **dvbuk55** » 20 Oct 2007, 14:29

Dave certainly knows the ins and outs of life at the sharp end, having joined the Post Office as a telegram boy straight from school, working 43 hours a week for the princely sum of Â£26.

"I took on responsibility in my branch from the age of 20, and became branch secretary at the age of 23, so I've had a thorough grounding in all the issues affecting members."

Aware that the media may link his election to the success of left-leaning union leaders in recent months, Dave says: "If membership of the so-called 'awkward squad' means placing a firm emphasis on improving pay and conditions for union members then I'm happy to be associated with that. As far as links with Labour go, I 'm not persuaded at this stage by the disaffiliation argument. I just think that the union's strength is in what we decide, not what the Labour Party decides for us."

Anyone recognise the profile above?

bristolchris · Post by **bristolchris** » 20 Oct 2007, 15:18

dvbuk55 wrote: I just think that the union's strength is in what we decide, not what the Labour Party decides for us."

Eh, could you say that again please I`m not sure I heard it properly!

Anyone recognise the profile above?

Oh who could it be?

andy2007 · Post by **andy2007** » 20 Oct 2007, 18:26

doorstep it wrote:maybe in future elections, the candidates could come to our local areas and canvass for our votes?

The problem with that, is that they will only be telling us about themselves. What we really need, is what we have now. A chance to exchange information about these people, so that we know what they are actually like, from the people who know them.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 20 Oct 2007, 18:54

andy2007 wrote:
doorstep it wrote:maybe in future elections, the candidates could come to our local areas and canvass for our votes?
The problem with that, is that they will only be telling us about themselves. What we really need, is what we have now. A chance to exchange information about these people, so that we know what they are actually like, from the people who know them.

Does it matter? If the face fits they'll be in and when they're out they'll be "found" something to keep them close.

andy2007 · Post by **andy2007** » 20 Oct 2007, 19:08

If we have the neccessary information, we can make the CWU great again!

Until now, unless we actually know anything first hand about the candidates, we have had to rely on what we were told, and the recomendations.

We have ended up with a bunch of fools, who are acting in secrecy, leading to unneccesary tension, and a reliance on rumors.

If we get the facts. We can vote for people who will do the job properly, keep us informed every step of the way, and won't waste so much time!

Don't forget. They have got their own way so far, because we didn't have enough information to make the right decisions. If we work together we can change the Union for the better.

Tread · Post by **Tread** » 20 Oct 2007, 19:30

andy2007 wrote:If we have the neccessary information, we can make the CWU great again! Until now, unless we actually know anything first hand about the candidates, we have had to rely on what we were told, and the recomendations. We have ended up with a bunch of fools, who are acting in secrecy, leading to unneccesary tension, and a reliance on rumors.

If we get the facts. We can vote for people who will do the job properly, keep us informed every step of the way, and won't waste so much time!

Don't forget. They have got their own way so far, because we didn't have enough information to make the right decisions. If we work together we can change the Union for the better.

Well said.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 20 Oct 2007, 21:59

andy2007 wrote:If we have the neccessary information, we can make the CWU great again! Until now, unless we actually know anything first hand about the candidates, we have had to rely on what we were told, and the recomendations. We have ended up with a bunch of fools, who are acting in secrecy, leading to unneccesary tension, and a reliance on rumors.

If we get the facts. We can vote for people who will do the job properly, keep us informed every step of the way, and won't waste so much time!

Don't forget. They have got their own way so far, because we didn't have enough information to make the right decisions. If we work together we can change the Union for the better.

Shangri la.

Power corrupts etc etc etc

dw77 · Post by **dw77** » 20 Oct 2007, 22:42

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