Temporary full time question

willymagic · Post by **willymagic** » 17 May 2016, 22:38

Can someone clear this up for me, 6 of us in our office have been made up to temporary full time positions until our revision is done, is there a rule where if you are temporary full time for 6 months or more they have to make you permanent? we have been full time now for two months and the revision still hasn't started!!

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 17 May 2016, 23:53

willymagic wrote:Can someone clear this up for me, 6 of us in our office have been made up to temporary full time positions until our revision is done, is there a rule where if you are temporary full time for 6 months or more they have to make you permanent? we have been full time now for two months and the revision still hasn't started!!

The " rule" you are referring to is the insertion in the Agenda for Growth and Stability agreement under legal bindings.

2.7.6 Employees will not be employed on a temporary contract exceeding two years unless it has been agreed by the Employer and the Union that there are very exceptional circumstances. The position of temporary contract Employees will be
kept under regular review, with a view to converting to permanent contracts where and when possible.

2.7.7 The level of part time Employees’ contracted hours will be reviewed by the Employer and the CWU locally on a six monthly basis. Where appropriate, increased contracted hours will be offered to reflect the hours actually worked and planned.
You will appreciate that both clauses are wide open to interpretation taking into consideration the months that are included in summer lapsing thus effecting the 6 month review basis and the likelihood of full time contracts when there is a downturn in the volumes of traffic.

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 18 May 2016, 11:39

Good Luck with your efforts to get Full Time Contracts. Although the above sections have been stated there never seems to be any Hard & Fast Rules, that are followed by the Management. There always seems to be too much "Wiggle Room" incorporated in these agreements.

I would suggest getting in touch with the Area Rep, as he should be aware of the proper agreements. Some Local Unit Reps don't seem to be too interested in sorting out these type of problems. Probably because it doesn't have a direct effect on them!

I can sympathize with any Part Timer who is trying to get a fair deal over wages, however most Full Timers don't give a shite. It's really a case of "I'm alright Jack"!

Robertdeniro · Post by **Robertdeniro** » 18 May 2016, 16:31

I've been temporary full time for 3 years, as have about 6 or 7 in our office.

Cedar_Room · Post by **Cedar_Room** » 18 May 2016, 17:30

Robertdeniro wrote:I've been temporary full time for 3 years, as have about 6 or 7 in our office.

You're no longer temporary then!

Once you hit the (I think) two year mark they cannot put you back down to p/t.

A few of us were once temp f/t too,after about 18months our DOM stated making noises about reviewing our contracts,but I believe he was kyboshed by the DSM.

Been full time for approaching 5yrs now.

rehabron · Post by **rehabron** » 18 May 2016, 17:30

Robertdeniro wrote:I've been temporary full time for 3 years, as have about 6 or 7 in our office.

This is illegal and employer has to provide substantive evidence why you are remaining on a temporary full time contract for this length of time. As I am unaware of the size and administration of the office you are employed at or your employee absence ratio or overtime recorded you will have to take this matter to your union/area rep and finally HR to have this investigated.

rubberbond · Post by **rubberbond** » 18 May 2016, 17:49

Cedar_Room wrote:
Robertdeniro wrote:I've been temporary full time for 3 years, as have about 6 or 7 in our office.

You're no longer temporary then!

Once you hit the (I think) two year mark they cannot put you back down to p/t.

Oh yes they can! And do.

centenaryman · Post by **centenaryman** » 18 May 2016, 17:57

I`ll jump in and add similar,,,,2 lads in our office temp fulltime since revision slightly over 3 years ago...

nearly got made permanent fulltime about a month ago but area boss stopped it?

every holiday or sickness they get paid part time pay.....

Dorset Plodder · Post by **Dorset Plodder** » 18 May 2016, 18:22

centenaryman wrote:I`ll jump in and add similar,,,,2 lads in our office temp fulltime since revision slightly over 3 years ago...
nearly got made permanent fulltime about a month ago but area boss stopped it?
every holiday or sickness they get paid part time pay.....

Bet there's a bit of bad feeling there mate? I know of Part Timers that did Full Time Duties for a long time, and were then taken off them for a while....... "Just in case they qualified for being made up to Full Time".

I would suggest that those particular Part Timers only worked their contracted hours, basically to prove a point of principle, but I know it's hard to make ends meant on Part Time wages.

This practice has worked in some Delivery Offices were a number of PTers only worked their contracted hours and made it an operational necessisity for the DOM to increase their contracts! Good Luck

Cedar_Room · Post by **Cedar_Room** » 18 May 2016, 18:41

rubberbond wrote:
Cedar_Room wrote:
Robertdeniro wrote:I've been temporary full time for 3 years, as have about 6 or 7 in our office.
You're no longer temporary then!

Once you hit the (I think) two year mark they cannot put you back down to p/t.

Oh yes they can! And do.

You sure? I've definitely been told different but stand to be proven wrong (I usually am).

Robertdeniro · Post by **Robertdeniro** » 18 May 2016, 19:11

I've asked the union rep numerous times,completely pointless....

Robertdeniro · Post by **Robertdeniro** » 18 May 2016, 19:12

centenaryman wrote:I`ll jump in and add similar,,,,2 lads in our office temp fulltime since revision slightly over 3 years ago...

nearly got made permanent fulltime about a month ago but area boss stopped it?

every holiday or sickness they get paid part time pay.....

Exactly what happens to me and 6 others

Chewster · Post by **Chewster** » 18 May 2016, 19:13

Dorset Plodder wrote:
centenaryman wrote:I`ll jump in and add similar,,,,2 lads in our office temp fulltime since revision slightly over 3 years ago...
nearly got made permanent fulltime about a month ago but area boss stopped it?
every holiday or sickness they get paid part time pay.....
Bet there's a bit of bad feeling there mate? I know of Part Timers that did Full Time Duties for a long time, and were then taken off them for a while....... "Just in case they qualified for being made up to Full Time".

I would suggest that those particular Part Timers only worked their contracted hours, basically to prove a point of principle, but I know it's hard to make ends meant on Part Time wages. This practice has worked in some Delivery Offices were a number of PTers only worked their contracted hours and made it an operational necessisity for the DOM to increase their contracts! Good Luck

I've thought of doing this myself, but as you say, it's hard to get by on part time wages. We've got a number of FT staff who have just left and more who are soon leaving, so I'm hoping they'll start bringing some of us PT folks up to FT to make up for it...somehow I doubt it though! Out of all the PT staff, there's only I think 3 of us who are on PT duties at least once a week, but stupidly, the hours of those PT duties are STILL larger than our contracts! For now, I'd call it a win if they at least bumped my contract to match the PT duty they love sticking me on (somehow I'm the only part timer that knows it).

Chewster · Post by **Chewster** » 18 May 2016, 19:14

Robertdeniro wrote:I've asked the union rep numerous times,completely pointless....

Same here buddy, I ask the managers every week at least, which is like asking a brick wall for a loaf of bread, and the union man whenever he makes a rare appearance but he's not fussed.

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 18 May 2016, 20:21

Robertdeniro wrote:I've been temporary full time for 3 years, as have about 6 or 7 in our office.

But who has seniority? Full time contracts are offered according to seniority, not who has been working the most hours.