delivery suppliment

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 17 May 2016, 22:08

none of this makes any sense , and i dont even know how this can be on going .

you have part timers on a 5 day 25 hour contract getting less then full timers yet there deliverying the same amount of door to doors.

you get a part timer doing a 3 day week 24hour contract yet taking a 1 hour reduction in the delivery suppliemtn but doing 2/5' less door to doors.

you really think someone in a remote office in a village somewhere is delivering 8 pieces of d2d's from asda/tesco/sainsburys/pizzahut/domino's/etc .... yet we all get a delivery suppliment that is based on contracted hours rather then actual workload.

this is a total and utter farse.

this seriously needs to be brought up and something being done about it.

as im aware part timers are fairly new and this crap was rolled in before part timers were being used in delivery offices.

now to me it dont make no sense, if im clearing 6 days worth of d2d's and getting a delivery suppliment thats less then others at my office who work less days as me but cover more hours and do less d2d's i believe thats not fair at all.

wannabeek · Post by **wannabeek** » 17 May 2016, 22:11

The delivery supplement is nothing to do with D2D. Could have zero D2D for six weeks and you'd still get the same supplement. It's to do with where you work, not the work you do there.

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 17 May 2016, 22:14

wannabeek wrote:The delivery supplement is nothing to do with D2D. Could have zero D2D for six weeks and you'd still get the same supplement. It's to do with where you work, not the work you do there.

0 d2d's is unheard of at my office we are bombarded with d2d's each and every week.

i have been led to believe that the delivery suppliment si what was rolled in after paying per item was rolled out and its based on hourage not actual workloads.

care to break down what you have been informed as to what the delivery suppliemnt is and if that does not cover d2d's what exactly does ?

weary_posty · Post by **weary_posty** » 17 May 2016, 22:18

even though we all know it is a D2D payment I think the official stance is it isn't.

The way I look treat it is as I would any other letter.

Your contract reflects the work you do. In most cases a FT worker will prep and then go out to deliver and a PT will come in later, and in theory only deliver what has already been prepped.

If a FT has had to prep and deliver the D2D, is it not fair his supplement reflects that compared to a worker that has only had to deliver?

lightningpostman · Post by **lightningpostman** » 17 May 2016, 22:27

weary_posty wrote:even though we all know it is a D2D payment I think the official stance is it isn't.

The way I look treat it is as I would any other letter.

Your contract reflects the work you do. In most cases a FT worker will prep and then go out to deliver and a PT will come in later, and in theory only deliver what has already been prepped.

If a FT has had to prep and deliver the D2D, is it not fair his supplement reflects that compared to a worker that has only had to deliver?

Yes however one can argue the prep is included in his actual working time, and that does not reflect that they are both lugging around the extra weight and deliverying the d2d's to each dp.

a PT in a dieal world has to simply tie up and go deliver.

but that is never the case, PT's usually do redirections, throw in d2d's, organize the packets that are still left in the mini yorks and even finish sequencing.....but thats a different story all together.

Creditshampoo · Post by **Creditshampoo** » 17 May 2016, 23:17

Part timers get an enhanced rate up to 39 hours from their contact in order to make up the delivery supplement they have lost out on not being full time

Supermac0151 · Post by **Supermac0151** » 17 May 2016, 23:37

i agree lightning! ive asked that question many a time. the delivery supplement is based on your hours for definite. you get a percentage of the full allowance based on your contracted basic pay. re-directs are never done, d2d's are very rarely thrown in and the parcels havent been sorted to frame from york to name but a few things. thats relevant to the argument that full timers 'prep' the d2d's when a part timer comes in and does all of the above. nothing takes away the fact that when you go out on delivery you deliver EXACTLY the same as a full timer and thats what the supplement is for, even if its a zero d2d week. i heard that it was getting flagged up by the union....more chance of knitting fog.

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 18 May 2016, 05:00

Supermac0151 wrote:i agree lightning! ive asked that question many a time. the delivery supplement is based on your hours for definite. you get a percentage of the full allowance based on your contracted basic pay. re-directs are never done, d2d's are very rarely thrown in and the parcels havent been sorted to frame from york to name but a few things. thats relevant to the argument that full timers 'prep' the d2d's when a part timer comes in and does all of the above. nothing takes away the fact that when you go out on delivery you deliver EXACTLY the same as a full timer and thats what the supplement is for, even if its a zero d2d week. i heard that it was getting flagged up by the union....more chance of knitting fog.

theres rarely time i could have 2 walks fully prepped and ready to go for when a PT comes in. If you come in and have to do this "extra" work, it will then surely cause you to extend ? so book the time or cut off. If its not causing you to extend then you dont really have a problem.

Martin Walsh · Post by **Martin Walsh** » 18 May 2016, 07:04

Let's explain once again in 2007 Royal Mail approached the pay talks with more strings than Pinocchio. One of them was letter volumes were both in decline and due to DSA in falling revenue. They stated that they no longer need to pay for D2D as it could replace the declining letter volumes. They argued they paid a wage for delivering work and they felt they no longer needed to pay a unit payment for D2D. D2D quality was also poor and Royal Mail felt they could only grow the product if it went into workload. The strike in 2007 led to the Pay and Mod Agreement and the union managed to park some of the strings including the D2D issue. However in 2007 the network changes meant start time in delivery offices went later and the early shift payments of 0500 and 05:30 were no longer needed. The CWU ensure at this time the payments were continued.

In 2009 there was various local disputes over Royal Mail saying they would no longer pay for change. This is when they wanted to introduce BT2010. There was two days of National Strike action which led to further negotiations on BT2020.

Royal Mail's postion was it wanted D2D into workload without any payment and no supplement. The CWU demanded and achieved that all the current monies of the early shift allowances and the average d2d monies were paid in a permanent supplement to Delivery Staff only . Fact is no Mail centre or distribution staff recieve the supplement unless they are tagged to a delivery office.

By making it a permanent addition to basic pay it had to be done on an hourly rate linked to the hours you work. Hence why no one gets paid for starting early or for D2D. Remember the early shift allowance was not paid to many part timers yet they got a share in line with the supplement. The supplement goes up each time there is a pay rise.

In the same way you don't get a unit payment for delivery tracked items you do not now get a unit payment for D2D. If part timers were given more of the supplement than their hourly rate would be more than a full timers.

In 2007 the average d2d per office was 2.2 . It is now 3 items per week. Some offices particular the Thames Valley are seeing real growth whilst other areas are receiving hardly any. When it is in workload than those who recieve the extra workload should be helped to increase their part timers hours and therefore they will increase their supplement. In London we have just reached a deal to make 50 part timers to full time and 30 to have increases in their part time contracts so it can be done.

Sorry for the history lesson but some people need to be reminded

Bahia Feliz · Post by **Bahia Feliz** » 18 May 2016, 15:03

dingo wrote:Sorry for the history lesson but some people need to be reminded

I'm eagerly awaiting lightningpostman's reply to this!!

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 18 May 2016, 15:43

lightningpostman wrote:
wannabeek wrote:The delivery supplement is nothing to do with D2D. Could have zero D2D for six weeks and you'd still get the same supplement. It's to do with where you work, not the work you do there.
0 d2d's is unheard of at my office we are bombarded with d2d's each and every week.

i have been led to believe that the delivery suppliment si what was rolled in after paying per item was rolled out and its based on hourage not actual workloads.

care to break down what you have been informed as to what the delivery suppliemnt is and if that does not cover d2d's what exactly does ?

It is nothing to do with D2D. End off.

The funds paying for the delivery supplement are partially funded by the old D2D money, but the payment has absolutely sod all to do with handling items of D2D mail. We no longer get a separate payment as they are now counted towards workload.

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 18 May 2016, 15:46

Supermac0151 wrote:i agree lightning! ive asked that question many a time. the delivery supplement is based on your hours for definite. you get a percentage of the full allowance based on your contracted basic pay. re-directs are never done, d2d's are very rarely thrown in and the parcels havent been sorted to frame from york to name but a few things. thats relevant to the argument that full timers 'prep' the d2d's when a part timer comes in and does all of the above. nothing takes away the fact that when you go out on delivery you deliver EXACTLY the same as a full timer and thats what the supplement is for, even if its a zero d2d week. i heard that it was getting flagged up by the union....more chance of knitting fog.

It isn't getting flagged up anywhere, for good reason - it was the CWU that agreed to the deal.

Chrish5244 · Post by **Chrish5244** » 19 May 2016, 14:29

Hello, how much is the delivery supplement on a 30 hour contract please?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 19 May 2016, 16:19

Chrish5244 wrote:Hello, how much is the delivery supplement on a 30 hour contract please?

on a 39 Hour contract mine is £23.58 so a 30 hour contract would be around £18.14 (pension and NI payments may change this figure)

Chrish5244 · Post by **Chrish5244** » 19 May 2016, 16:26

Thanks for that. I start soon on a 30 hour contract you see.