Gross misconduct??

postie0000 · Post by **postie0000** » 03 Mar 2016, 11:37

Should you get susspended and if your not how can it be gross misconduct?? Confused by this

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 03 Mar 2016, 12:31

postie0000 wrote:Should you get suspended and if your not how can it be gross misconduct?? Confused by this

No, you should only get suspended for gross misconduct to protect others, or to protect the integrity of the mail. So in most cases of violence or theft suspension is likely, but if you have just called a Manager something you shouldn't then its a judgement call.

It all depends on the scale and type of incident that is the subject of a charge of Gross Misconduct, and an immediate suspension is not always required. It is, however, a judgement call.

postie0000 · Post by **postie0000** » 03 Mar 2016, 12:53

So if your not suspended your not voilent danger to others or the security/safety of mail as your still working with both so how can it be gross?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 03 Mar 2016, 13:25

postie0000 wrote:So if you're not suspended your not violent danger to others or the security/safety of mail as your still working with both so how can it be gross?

It's not possible to list everything that is non-violent, or places the mail at no risk but, for instance, it is gross misconduct if you call your boss a TWAT.

Without knowing the particulars of a situation it's impossible to say whether or not it could be considered Gross Misconduct, but, in any case, levelling the charge and suspension are both judgement calls. It's not an either or-or situation it's not that cut and dry.

postie0000 · Post by **postie0000** » 03 Mar 2016, 14:25

So you can call your boss a twat and then because staffing is low he/she can keep you in work

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 03 Mar 2016, 14:26

postie0000 wrote:So you can call your boss a twat and then because staffing is low he/she can keep you in work

Its a judgement call, but theroetically yes.

Of course the level of staffing shouldn't be a factor.

bandit1157 · Post by **bandit1157** » 03 Mar 2016, 19:27

postie0000 wrote:So you can call your boss a twat and then because staffing is low he/she can keep you in work

I'll get my dictionary

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 04 Mar 2016, 06:36

bandit1157 wrote:
postie0000 wrote:So you can call your boss a twat and then because staffing is low he/she can keep you in work
I'll get my dictionary

I'd put it back, they can decide not to suspend you, but they can proceed with the charge of Gross Misconduct and sack you.

Deciding to suspend you or not whilst the investigation is going on, and deciding to dismiss you or not at the end of the investigation are 2 different matters.

Acas say it a lot better than I can.

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What an organisation regards as acts of gross misconduct should be clear from its disciplinary rules. Typically, they might include such things as theft or fraud, physical violence, gross negligence, incapacity due to alcohol or illegal drugs, and serious insubordination.

It may not be appropriate for the employee to be at work while facts are established, so a short period of suspension on full pay may be helpful. But a suspension should only be imposed after careful consideration. It should be made clear to the employee that it is not in itself a disciplinary action and does not involve any prejudgement.

grumpyme · Post by **grumpyme** » 04 Mar 2016, 08:46

When my line manager suspended me for insubordination , I was told by my rep that Royal Mail didn't recognise that as a reason to be suspended.