lots of talk about new delivery strategy

thegreatestfreddy · Post by **thegreatestfreddy** » 21 Feb 2016, 10:38

Hi...

I am not aware of how this is being officially 'dubbed', but there has been a lot of talk recently in our unit about this 'new efficient delivery strategy' where the letter mail and flat mail is completely sequenced (presumably in a sequenced order across two or three perstops because that is what we get now ... by that I mean rather than box 1 being beginning to end etc. it will be the entire delivery from beginning to end starting in box 1 and ending in box 3) negating the need to touch any of the sequenced mail until out on delivery and loaded onto a trolley of 2 perstops (boxes) ... one being letter mail the other being flat mail and then obviously 'merged' at the door along with any separate manual (parcels/oversized un-machineable mail totalling around 80 such items on an average duty)...

sounds great on paper... indoor prep time being cut and allowing for longer delivery span based on indoor prep savings (presumably savings yet to be calculated indoor prep versus merging on the street)..

all sounds a good strategy to sell to our investors as driving efficiency and presumably cutting jobs and cost as a result of this increased efficiency...

as I said, sounds great on paper... have been speaking to some SOMs recently who, when asked specifically about door to door and how they fit into the strategy, have looked puzzled and have said that this has not been mentioned in this new strategy model...?? surely this cannot of been overlooked...??

the SOMs are not keen already about 'nesting' of door to door so how are these item going to be 'merged' at the door (not incurring any indoor prep time and no prep frames being existent as they will have been disposed of) and being 'merged' in such a way as to not be 'nested'... bearing in mind that some weeks there are 5 or 6 door to door items on a duty??... are door to doors ('our fastest growing and most profitable product stream') going to be scrapped??

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 21 Feb 2016, 11:29

thegreatestfreddy wrote:Hi...

I am not aware of how this is being officially 'dubbed', but there has been a lot of talk recently in our unit about this 'new efficient delivery strategy' where the letter mail and flat mail is completely sequenced (presumably in a sequenced order across two or three perstops because that is what we get now ... by that I mean rather than box 1 being beginning to end etc. it will be the entire delivery from beginning to end starting in box 1 and ending in box 3) negating the need to touch any of the sequenced mail until out on delivery and loaded onto a trolley of 2 perstops (boxes) ... one being letter mail the other being flat mail and then obviously 'merged' at the door along with any separate manual (parcels/oversized un-machineable mail totalling around 80 such items on an average duty)...

sounds great on paper... indoor prep time being cut and allowing for longer delivery span based on indoor prep savings (presumably savings yet to be calculated indoor prep versus merging on the street)..

all sounds a good strategy to sell to our investors as driving efficiency and presumably cutting jobs and cost as a result of this increased efficiency...

as I said, sounds great on paper... have been speaking to some SOMs recently who, when asked specifically about door to door and how they fit into the strategy, have looked puzzled and have said that this has not been mentioned in this new strategy model...?? surely this cannot of been overlooked...??

the SOMs are not keen already about 'nesting' of door to door so how are these item going to be 'merged' at the door (not incurring any indoor prep time and no prep frames being existent as they will have been disposed of) and being 'merged' in such a way as to not be 'nested'... bearing in mind that some weeks there are 5 or 6 door to door items on a duty??... are door to doors ('our fastest growing and most profitable product stream') going to be scrapped??

Think it was mentioned in another thread that the XMS machines that RM are looking at can sequence the d2ds as well as the flats and letters. I wouldn't be surprised to see d2d delivery being made a duty on it's own

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 21 Feb 2016, 11:39

SpacePhoenix wrote:
Think it was mentioned in another thread that the XMS machines that RM are looking at can sequence the d2ds as well as the flats and letters. I wouldn't be surprised to see d2d delivery being made a duty on it's own

How would making d2d a separate duty make any sense

RM would still make a profit but nowhere near what they do now

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 21 Feb 2016, 11:52

A2B wrote:
SpacePhoenix wrote:
Think it was mentioned in another thread that the XMS machines that RM are looking at can sequence the d2ds as well as the flats and letters. I wouldn't be surprised to see d2d delivery being made a duty on it's own
How would making d2d a separate duty make any sense RM would still make a profit but nowhere near what they do now

Each person doing a d2d only delivery could probably do at least 4 walks worth of d2d over a week

A2B · Post by **A2B** » 21 Feb 2016, 12:02

Why would RM pay someone to do a separate d2d duty when they have delivery staff covering the area anyway?

Post by **eastie** » 21 Feb 2016, 12:51

wouldn't be cost effective with D2D's if some rounds only have 1 or 2. If the D2D'S could come in with the walksorted mail at 1/6 a day it would be OK but cant see it happening with the odd shaped D2D's,with pens , Salvation Army collection bags large catalogues etc.

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 21 Feb 2016, 13:59

thegreatestfreddy wrote:Hi...

I am not aware of how this is being officially 'dubbed', but there has been a lot of talk recently in our unit about this 'new efficient delivery strategy' where the letter mail and flat mail is completely sequenced (presumably in a sequenced order across two or three perstops because that is what we get now ... by that I mean rather than box 1 being beginning to end etc. it will be the entire delivery from beginning to end starting in box 1 and ending in box 3) negating the need to touch any of the sequenced mail until out on delivery and loaded onto a trolley of 2 perstops (boxes) ... one being letter mail the other being flat mail and then obviously 'merged' at the door along with any separate manual (parcels/oversized un-machineable mail totalling around 80 such items on an average duty)...

sounds great on paper... indoor prep time being cut and allowing for longer delivery span based on indoor prep savings (presumably savings yet to be calculated indoor prep versus merging on the street)..

all sounds a good strategy to sell to our investors as driving efficiency and presumably cutting jobs and cost as a result of this increased efficiency...

as I said, sounds great on paper... have been speaking to some SOMs recently who, when asked specifically about door to door and how they fit into the strategy, have looked puzzled and have said that this has not been mentioned in this new strategy model...?? surely this cannot of been overlooked...??

the SOMs are not keen already about 'nesting' of door to door so how are these item going to be 'merged' at the door (not incurring any indoor prep time and no prep frames being existent as they will have been disposed of) and being 'merged' in such a way as to not be 'nested'... bearing in mind that some weeks there are 5 or 6 door to door items on a duty??... are door to doors ('our fastest growing and most profitable product stream') going to be scrapped??

How exactly does letter and flat merging at the door work? Given we only have 2 hands! Serious question by the way! How do we carry 2 separate bundles of mail and then merge the address together at the delivery point?

pinstripe · Post by **pinstripe** » 21 Feb 2016, 15:13

steve1873 wrote:
How exactly does letter and flat merging at the door work? Given we only have 2 hands! Serious question by the way! How do we carry 2 separate bundles of mail and then merge the address together at the delivery point?

Don't forget packets, recorded delivery and specials.

Post by **IloveMYredTROLLEY!** » 21 Feb 2016, 15:18

steve1873 wrote:
thegreatestfreddy wrote:How exactly does letter and flat merging at the door work? Given we only have 2 hands! Serious question by the way! How do we carry 2 separate bundles of mail and then merge the address together at the delivery point?

By having multiple bundles of mail, probably going up your non-dominant forearm, up to the elbow? Stand still; filter letter bundle for next address; filter D2D bundle for next batch; walk to next address and post it through secure letterbox; rinse and repeat?

Didn't Moya introduce this technique in Canada, where D2D was merged on delivery, by having a a D2D and a letter bundle on the go? Or am I getting confused with the USA postal system ?

Postie45 · Post by **Postie45** » 21 Feb 2016, 15:32

Im fine with anything RM decide to try and implement, but if these plans mean deliveries take longer to do in practice then I want the union on top of it.

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 21 Feb 2016, 15:37

steve1873 wrote: How exactly does letter and flat merging at the door work? Given we only have 2 hands! Serious question by the way! How do we carry 2 separate bundles of mail and then merge the address together at the delivery point?

And why would we want to 'merge' out in the wind and rain (on a wet wall maybe?) when it can be done at a bench in a nice warm dry office?

NewPostieUK · Post by **NewPostieUK** » 21 Feb 2016, 15:41

IloveMYredTROLLEY! wrote: By having multiple bundles of mail, probably going up your non-dominant forearm, up to the elbow?

Who makes up these bundles? How big are they? How do they know when to start and stop them?

I get bundles at the moment that I can hardly lift. I certainly couldn't hold two in one hand, even if I could get them out of my bag without them falling apart.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 21 Feb 2016, 15:46

Put the kettle on,Dingo's post give out a lot on info,and in no particular order...

future of deliveries. email to bob gibson

LTB:Postal Policy Forum 22nd, 23rd March 2016 : The Future of Royal Mail, Pay and Pensions

LONGER DELIVERY SPANS

Optimised Mail Preparation (OMP) and Walsall Merging Trial

steve1873 · Post by **steve1873** » 21 Feb 2016, 15:58

IloveMYredTROLLEY! wrote:
steve1873 wrote:
thegreatestfreddy wrote:How exactly does letter and flat merging at the door work? Given we only have 2 hands! Serious question by the way! How do we carry 2 separate bundles of mail and then merge the address together at the delivery point?
By having multiple bundles of mail, probably going up your non-dominant forearm, up to the elbow? Stand still; filter letter bundle for next address; filter D2D bundle for next batch; walk to next address and post it through secure letterbox; rinse and repeat?

Didn't Moya introduce this technique in Canada, where D2D was merged on delivery, by having a a D2D and a letter bundle on the go? Or am I getting confused with the USA postal system ?

So you are walking with your non-posting arm fully extended, not actually using your hand to grip at least 1 of the bundles? That sounds both excruciating from a fatigue standpoint and will result in multiple spillages and possibly accidents as a result.

MENTAL!!!

lala · Post by **lala** » 21 Feb 2016, 16:43

Surely any indoor time saved would have an impact outdoor as the time taken at each door would longer?

The deliveries would have to stay same size at worse.

Also, what about re-di's if the mail isn't touched till outside. Also we get loads of odd missorts in our mech ss it is.