Reply to open letter about pec meeting

Post by **stephen500** » 18 Oct 2007, 09:32

Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your email.

The CWU opposed the injunction in The High Court. We lost not because we got together with Royal Mail, but because Employment Law is biased against trade unions.

At the time of writing, we are resuming negotiations with Royal Mail following PEC deliberations. These deliberations were very extended because of the determination of the PEC to get to the clearest possible agreement.

Your support is greatly appreciated.

Yours sincerely,

BILLY HAYES

GENERAL SECRETARY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Sent: 16 October 2007 12:43
To: Billy Hayes
Cc: Dave Ward
Subject: Open letter about pec meeting

Dear Billy and Dave,

I am writing this as an open letter and so will publish a reply. A lot of members and i include myself who have supported the union in its offical action are becoming concerned.

One of the main concerns is that the PEC first of all meet in the afternoon and after a few hours adjourn?

Some of the sessions you had with management lasted all night, why could not the pec meet overnight?

Second, why is the membership kept so much in the dark, as far as i know there is industrial action scheduled for Weds are we not leaving it late with regard to this action?

We spent four days trying to get RM into a position where they were in the last industrial action and through some legal error allows the high court to cancel Monday and Tuesdays action so that Rm can begin to clear the backlog. Some are even suggesting that the CWU and RM got together and used the high court as a way of ensuring no strikes while the pec considered the agreement. These conspiracy theories are bound to start if you feed us so little information. So could i ask that you keep us updated regulary and that you consider the wide range of the possible agreement. This could impact on us for years if we need to struggle on then so be it, we don't want agreement for agreements sake.

marky · Post by **marky** » 18 Oct 2007, 11:21

oh my god you got a reply.. just goes to show us over here in good old n ireland that hayes couldn't give a toss about the cwu members in n ireland.

stop thief stop thief..... billy hayes has nicked our branch and give it to an alco prat....

chayoliver · Post by **chayoliver** » 18 Oct 2007, 12:01

stephen500 wrote:Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your email.

The CWU opposed the injunction in The High Court. We lost not because we got together with Royal Mail, but because Employment Law is biased against trade unions.

At the time of writing, we are resuming negotiations with Royal Mail following PEC deliberations. These deliberations were very extended because of the determination of the PEC to get to the clearest possible agreement.

Your support is greatly appreciated.

Yours sincerely,

BILLY HAYES

GENERAL SECRETARY

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen
Sent: 16 October 2007 12:43
To: Billy Hayes
Cc: Dave Ward
Subject: Open letter about pec meeting

Dear Billy and Dave,

I am writing this as an open letter and so will publish a reply. A lot of members and i include myself who have supported the union in its offical action are becoming concerned.

One of the main concerns is that the PEC first of all meet in the afternoon and after a few hours adjourn?

Some of the sessions you had with management lasted all night, why could not the pec meet overnight?

Second, why is the membership kept so much in the dark, as far as i know there is industrial action scheduled for Weds are we not leaving it late with regard to this action?

We spent four days trying to get RM into a position where they were in the last industrial action and through some legal error allows the high court to cancel Monday and Tuesdays action so that Rm can begin to clear the backlog. Some are even suggesting that the CWU and RM got together and used the high court as a way of ensuring no strikes while the pec considered the agreement. These conspiracy theories are bound to start if you feed us so little information. So could i ask that you keep us updated regulary and that you consider the wide range of the possible agreement. This could impact on us for years if we need to struggle on then so be it, we don't want agreement for agreements sake.

Thats not a reply thats MP spin

marky · Post by **marky** » 18 Oct 2007, 12:06

might be spin, but its something.....lol

catch · Post by **catch** » 18 Oct 2007, 12:19

The anti-union laws didn't make him call of the strikes from yesterday onwards did they?

Turpin · Post by **Turpin** » 18 Oct 2007, 12:20

Sorry I sadly agree its not a reply it answers nothing asked or directed at the guy.

Midge · Post by **Midge** » 18 Oct 2007, 14:12

catch wrote:The anti-union laws didn't make him call of the strikes from yesterday onwards did they?

No, they didn't. But when the rest of us aren't taking part this week, what is the point in having a minority taking action?

We should all be out or none. Simple.

That's why the rest was suspended.

We might still be called out again very soon, if the 'deal' is not accepted.

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 18 Oct 2007, 15:31

NOT ONCE.. NOT FECKING ONCE DID HE (billy) BREACH THE POINT OF "INFORMATION FOR THE MEMBERS."

This is bollox...... I feel this is just a letter scribbled off inbetween courses of lunch as the drinks flowed.....

I feel that the lack of response to this very eleqant open letter has been tossed aside like RM toss us.. IN THE RUBBISH...

FECKING HELL WOT CHANCE HAVE WE GOT WHEN OUR OWN PEOPLE CANT TALK TO US....??

When RM and The PEC negotiators had the near 4 week blanket ban on news and info from talks i thought this was bad

But this NON response is a piss take..... NI..... I know how you must feel... WORSE i bet... How can a branch be excluded from the CWU just because of the Irish sea between us.???? ITS JUST WRONG...

NI branches i back you and your struggles... Its a piss take 10 fold... HOW AND WHY??? DOESNT BILLY LIKE IRISH FOOD OR SOMETHING...???

OR DONT THE GUINNESS SIT RIGHT IN HIS GUT????

FECKING CHEEK!!!

Stephen mate... Well done on getting a piece of paper with the " GREAT MANS " Signature on it... I really think you done more than most but it goes to show the balls and morals of this person speaking for us on OUR behalf...

This is my first REAL slag at the UNION HQ and i hope its the last and they pull there fecking fingers out or GOOD BYE UNION AND GOODBYE ALL THEM CUSHY MEETINGS AND TEA N BICCYS UVE CHOMPED ON BILLY....

OUT

PS YOU LOST THIS ADVANTAGE OF OUR PREVIOUS STRIKES BILLY BECAUSE OF PEOPLE ON THE LEGAL TEAM ARE SHITE... PRACTISE PREVENTS PISS POOR PERFORMANCE ..... THE 5 P's.... NO not the peas on ya plate ya fecking numpty!!!

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 18 Oct 2007, 15:35

These will be the Employment Laws brought in by Tebbit and Thatcher and endorsed by Blair and Brown. You know, the Blair and Brown who are in the same political party as Dave and Billy.

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 18 Oct 2007, 15:38

IWW fella.... WOTCHA KNOW AHHHHH!!!!

Dave and billy and blair n brown...

DBBB The new political party..... FECK EM!!!

out

ulster postie · Post by **ulster postie** » 18 Oct 2007, 16:02

DOESNT BILLY LIKE IRISH FOOD OR SOMETHING...???

OR DONT THE GUINNESS SIT RIGHT IN HIS GUT????

I HAVE HEARD THAT HE LIKES THE SMELL OR IRISH TROUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 18 Oct 2007, 16:03

Ulster mate.....

I just dont know wot you mean?????

OUT

ulster postie · Post by **ulster postie** » 18 Oct 2007, 16:06

THERE ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A WAFT OF IT IN HIS HOTEL ROOM WHEN HES OVER

L Tommo · Post by **L Tommo** » 18 Oct 2007, 16:09

I must be visiting the wrong kind of Hotel then Ulster mate...

Next time i will ask for the FAT BASTARD SUITE!!!

out

ulster postie · Post by **ulster postie** » 18 Oct 2007, 16:16

EASY MATE THATS OUR G.S. YOUR SLAGGING OFF

ROYALMAILCHAT

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