Can someone please tell me can the Royal Mail pay me off on ill health retirement grounds even though I have not even triggered my 1st warning?
I have had nearly 3 months off work due to stress and anxiety caused by my working environment , loads of verbals by fellow workers some I used to call friends aswell, I have been called Osama Bin Laden, black c***, suicide bomber muslim c*** even though I only have a beard and I am white English!!!
This has been going on since 2001 obviously, I used to let it go over my head loads and just laugh it off but after 14 years of it I finally have had enough !
total head meltdown hence on the sick from work.
Also OH assist made me sit over 3 hours last Tuesday morning waiting for a call but he did not even ring, then the following morning a letter arrived by OH assist informing me they have requested my doctors reports on me which is fine I have nothing to hide but how do they expect that makes me feel?
HELP!!!
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: ill health retirement
ihr is generally for when an illness is long term that it is unlikely that you would be able to return to duty within a year or longer even with treatment, treading carefully when I say this as it's not a hard and fast rule but stress generally does not qualify for a ihr, RM would also look at redeployment into another role/location as well to comply with equalities act on minor adjustments to your work if the illness was considered a disability
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k979aaa
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Re: ill health retirement
If I had that abuse I would put a grievance in why should you put up with that why did you not tell the managers to have a quite word before hand and if they did nothing that should be noted as well sometimes banter is fun when it is not it is hell.drumatics wrote:Can someone please tell me can the Royal Mail pay me off on ill health retirement grounds even though I have not even triggered my 1st warning?
I have had nearly 3 months off work due to stress and anxiety caused by my working environment , loads of verbals by fellow workers some I used to call friends aswell, I have been called Osama Bin Laden, black c***, suicide bomber muslim c*** even though I only have a beard and I am white English!!!
This has been going on since 2001 obviously, I used to let it go over my head loads and just laugh it off but after 14 years of it I finally have had enough !
total head meltdown hence on the sick from work.
Also OH assist made me sit over 3 hours last Tuesday morning waiting for a call but he did not even ring, then the following morning a letter arrived by OH assist informing me they have requested my doctors reports on me which is fine I have nothing to hide but how do they expect that makes me feel?
HELP!!!
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bob dudd
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- Joined: 23 Mar 2011, 14:03
- Gender: Male
Re: ill health retirement
Hi
Work related stress is no different than having any accident and should in fact be treated exactly the same.
Many managers shun their responsibilities regarding WRS because they are untrained in it and do not recognise the signs nor Know how to deal with it. IHR is NOT an option here as the route cause needs to be found out first and foremost.
As a duty of care to you the manager in charge of the office where you work is legally responsible for your well being at work whilst at work and employed by RM.
If he is refusing to help you although you to have a responsibility to yourself to try and manage your own health.
When I say that I mean through your own GP Hospital and any out reach groups.
Often flash points trigger points cause stress and stress can be fully managed once you have established what that it is that's causing the stress.
As Regarding IHR that is simply not an option because you have to exhaust the procedures regarding the stress in getting help from the new Atos OHs which is now called another name in a limited asset company.
IHR is complex but once you have had 9 months or more off can be or could used against yourself in triggering the first stages of the IHR procedure however depending where you work Dels/M/C/Hub etc redeployment must be sort through your Dom or DSM. They ping an email to any surrounding offices asking if availability regarding vacancies exist. If overtime is available an postys are performing more than say 40hrs per week regularly I would say then there is a vacancy for a redeployment within that office as clearly can be demonstrated through the O/T available there.
Re buy down of hours be mindful that this will affect your pension.
If you are unemployable going forward due to any medical condition between your IHR and retirement age providing ANY new medical evidence which then can be proven other Than the IHR in which that you have been retired on can then gain a full pension which is enhanced with a bigger lump sum. Please be also aware that when IHR is administered and RM lump s pavements have been transferred into you Bank accounts while waiting for this to happen with any enhancements that RM will hope that you touch the money then they will ask for it back before dispensing any enhancements, and if that you have spent some or cannot afford to reimburse RM with the money then you do have a problem.
As regarding any bullying issues what I will say through personal experience get witnesses who heard or clearly see what went on capture time and date and write it down what where it happened along with any witnesses so you have a full documented evidence. Keep a full paper trail of any medically Atos OHS or their new name.
And make sure you get a full phone interview or face to face with them, and do not release any doctors notes or medical notes until that your stress has been fully assessed first. Also make it clear that you only want who you say to see you medical paperwork with fully signed copies beforehand of who you have allowed to see them. Take care be lucky.
Work related stress is no different than having any accident and should in fact be treated exactly the same.
Many managers shun their responsibilities regarding WRS because they are untrained in it and do not recognise the signs nor Know how to deal with it. IHR is NOT an option here as the route cause needs to be found out first and foremost.
As a duty of care to you the manager in charge of the office where you work is legally responsible for your well being at work whilst at work and employed by RM.
If he is refusing to help you although you to have a responsibility to yourself to try and manage your own health.
When I say that I mean through your own GP Hospital and any out reach groups.
Often flash points trigger points cause stress and stress can be fully managed once you have established what that it is that's causing the stress.
As Regarding IHR that is simply not an option because you have to exhaust the procedures regarding the stress in getting help from the new Atos OHs which is now called another name in a limited asset company.
IHR is complex but once you have had 9 months or more off can be or could used against yourself in triggering the first stages of the IHR procedure however depending where you work Dels/M/C/Hub etc redeployment must be sort through your Dom or DSM. They ping an email to any surrounding offices asking if availability regarding vacancies exist. If overtime is available an postys are performing more than say 40hrs per week regularly I would say then there is a vacancy for a redeployment within that office as clearly can be demonstrated through the O/T available there.
Re buy down of hours be mindful that this will affect your pension.
If you are unemployable going forward due to any medical condition between your IHR and retirement age providing ANY new medical evidence which then can be proven other Than the IHR in which that you have been retired on can then gain a full pension which is enhanced with a bigger lump sum. Please be also aware that when IHR is administered and RM lump s pavements have been transferred into you Bank accounts while waiting for this to happen with any enhancements that RM will hope that you touch the money then they will ask for it back before dispensing any enhancements, and if that you have spent some or cannot afford to reimburse RM with the money then you do have a problem.
As regarding any bullying issues what I will say through personal experience get witnesses who heard or clearly see what went on capture time and date and write it down what where it happened along with any witnesses so you have a full documented evidence. Keep a full paper trail of any medically Atos OHS or their new name.
And make sure you get a full phone interview or face to face with them, and do not release any doctors notes or medical notes until that your stress has been fully assessed first. Also make it clear that you only want who you say to see you medical paperwork with fully signed copies beforehand of who you have allowed to see them. Take care be lucky.
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bob dudd
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- Joined: 23 Mar 2011, 14:03
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Re: ill health retirement
Hi again
If you are not getting anywhere with your Dom or DSM
Flag this up to your Area Health & Safety Rep
He should arrange for a meeting with you all and try and bottom out your stress related issues and problems that are causing you stress. Stress is the biggest killer within GB and is recognised fully by RM believe it or not, as they cannot afford NOT to recognise it. You could email Judith Grant too Judith is the Head of well being for RM mail her addy is Judith.grant@royalmail.com.
Dom's and DSMs are under scrutiny now and if they cannot cut the cloth then there is only one answer for them we are a private company and like absorption wether we accept it or not,simply they will be gone as they are expensive hence the new trialling of postmen acting as managers to run D/Os in their time of absence or leave a pittance token payment saves millions into the coffers of the shareholders one of them being all of us & Once it goes in then that will become the norm saving millions over the foreseeable future, or until at least we are called amazon. Keep it all documented keep a diary times dates etc who said what to you etc. witnesses are crucial. When talking to the Dom/DSM take a friend or union rep into the meeting to witness any conversations that you have re; your stress/anxiety. With the right interventions with persons who recognise stress and the signs elucidating the issue to you and for the business saves thousands of pounds in lost time off and covering duties. It really is a no brainier for RM and for the Dom I bet his budget is blown already and sounds to me IMO that he is one who defiantly cannot cut the cloth & by the sounds of it your be around a lot longer than he will!!!!!!!
If you are not getting anywhere with your Dom or DSM
Flag this up to your Area Health & Safety Rep
He should arrange for a meeting with you all and try and bottom out your stress related issues and problems that are causing you stress. Stress is the biggest killer within GB and is recognised fully by RM believe it or not, as they cannot afford NOT to recognise it. You could email Judith Grant too Judith is the Head of well being for RM mail her addy is Judith.grant@royalmail.com.
Dom's and DSMs are under scrutiny now and if they cannot cut the cloth then there is only one answer for them we are a private company and like absorption wether we accept it or not,simply they will be gone as they are expensive hence the new trialling of postmen acting as managers to run D/Os in their time of absence or leave a pittance token payment saves millions into the coffers of the shareholders one of them being all of us & Once it goes in then that will become the norm saving millions over the foreseeable future, or until at least we are called amazon. Keep it all documented keep a diary times dates etc who said what to you etc. witnesses are crucial. When talking to the Dom/DSM take a friend or union rep into the meeting to witness any conversations that you have re; your stress/anxiety. With the right interventions with persons who recognise stress and the signs elucidating the issue to you and for the business saves thousands of pounds in lost time off and covering duties. It really is a no brainier for RM and for the Dom I bet his budget is blown already and sounds to me IMO that he is one who defiantly cannot cut the cloth & by the sounds of it your be around a lot longer than he will!!!!!!!