FLEXIBLE WORKING

[oscar]

IF FLEXIBLE WORKING IS STILL PART OF THE AGREEMENT..........THEN I'M VOTING NO!!!!

ALL THOSE AGREE?

[hadescaveman]

yes me to the members are the cwu :cfo

[dvbuk55]

I'm a bit concerned about the individual deals in individual offices. Surely that is a bad move. It means that there will be no collective identity in future negotiations for the most part. The CWU has more or less made a deal to step back from flexible working, given up the fight on Pensions and accepted that they no longer have a say in the workplace other than at local level. That's great for big powerful offices with strong union reps but no good at all for small under represented offices who also supported the strike.

I hope the deal gets a NO vote and forces the Union to go back and say we want a National agreement.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

IF FLEXIBLE WORKING IS STILL PART OF THE AGREEMENT..........THEN I'M VOTING NO!!!!

ALL THOSE AGREE?

Again, another fine picture and sentiment from Oscar. Flexibiliy? No thanks. A charter for DUM's and screws to victimise at will.

[Big Daz]

I'm a bit concerned about the individual deals in individual offices. Surely that is a bad move. It means that there will be no collective identity in future negotiations for the most part. The CWU has more or less made a deal to step back from flexible working, given up the fight on Pensions and accepted that they no longer have a say in the workplace other than at local level. That's great for big powerful offices with strong union reps but no good at all for small under represented offices who also supported the strike.

I hope the deal gets a NO vote and forces the Union to go back and say we want a National agreement.

Surley doing things on a basis of what suits each individual office and their cwu members is better than a one size fits all policy?

[axeman]

no it has to be rattified and agreed at national level otherwise a local interpretation is bound to be subject to all sorts of clauses put in by local brainwashed screws

[The Sarge]

I'm a bit concerned about the individual deals in individual offices. Surely that is a bad move. It means that there will be no collective identity in future negotiations for the most part. The CWU has more or less made a deal to step back from flexible working, given up the fight on Pensions and accepted that they no longer have a say in the workplace other than at local level. That's great for big powerful offices with strong union reps but no good at all for small under represented offices who also supported the strike.

I hope the deal gets a NO vote and forces the Union to go back and say we want a National agreement.

Surley doing things on a basis of what suits each individual office and their cwu members is better than a one size fits all policy?

That depends on a lot of variables, not least how good your CWU rep is and of course how bad your managers are. From my experience RM managers are poor in both quality and motivation. Therefore, to implement a more complicated even if it may well be better to company and employees alike) way of working will be beyond their ability and motivation.

[dbvern]

How many times do you guys have to be told?...............if you work to your time flexable working will not come into it. If you are working to your time every day you are not banking hours royal mail can claim back and if they want you doing 5 over 6, work your time on your duty and thats the end of that. Let all the runners do the extra work. Non of these ideas work unless we want them to................ END OF! How can we be saying our union has sold us down the river when we don't know what the deal is yet, some of you guys are spoiling for a fight with either royal mail or our union but at the end of the day this is our job. LET'S GET BEHIND THE UNON AND GIVE THEM OUR SUPPORT, there are bound to be some parts of the deal that some of us will disagree with but at the end of the day it's down to YOU and ME to either make it work or not, the power is still in our hands. END OF! C.O.Y.S

[IWW Fellow Worker]

How many times do you guys have to be told?...............if you work to your time flexable working will not come into it.

It might. Someone posted on here earlier that they are being told to throw in mail on someone elses delivery instead of their own, then return to their own prep. I agree that if we work to the 318, we're on a winner, but once offices are seperated by local agreements, anything could happen.

[dbvern]

I would LOVE my dim to ask me to prep someone elses delivery...............mine will then be late and brought back to the office so one of the runners can finnish it. They will soon learn and stop running around.........FLEXABLE WORKING, BRING IT ON.....

[trojan]

Flexabilty cannot be based on an individual or duty it is based around workload, if we stop the line malingerers doing our work then there will always be work for us to pack out our duties or as been said many times DO YOUR JOB PROPERLY:dance

[rsn200]

On reflection, I also have concerns if this is to be the agreement re flexibility! my delivery office had problems for ages keeping a rep in place, as I’m sure is the case with other offices; the reps were harassed and bullied out of there positions through not being given an opportunity to perform a balance of union work and there delivery duty. We now have a rep who has led us excellently through this dispute but, he regularly has to visit other offices without reps to deal with things, what is the likely out come in offices with no daily union involvement? management freedom to do as is pleased from moment to moment, I for one do not trust my management to stick to any flexibility agreement, already we perform irregular sorting patterns where we one day we get 15 min's ect off the primary sorting to prep our delivery’s, then the next day we don’t get any time, depending on the mail traffic, a style of working which has never be agreed or negotiated in our office. flexibility however they dress it up is the licence to have you boxing up a walk, then go on some random sorting be it rural or bulk business, then back to your primary with barely enough time to get all done so some guy back at his frame can tie up cos he started before his time and has sorting exception. Wait till you see the inconsistencies!!! And with no rep to defend the agreement, who is going to stick there neck out and face the victimisation?

[dbvern]

Flexabilty cannot be based on an individual or duty it is based around workload, if we stop the line malingerers doing our work then there will always be work for us to pack out our duties or as been said many times DO YOUR JOB PROPERLY:dance

If you stick to your times and ,as you say " do your job properly" then flexability won't come into it. It is doziers idea because he thinks we are either standing around doing nothing most of the time or doing overtime in our work time so we should be more productive and save the company money by doing extra work for nothing ..... Hey it's down to individuals to make sure they do the job properly.[extra door to doors mean extra work..bring 'em on] In my office our walks are big enough to last our duty time but if you run around or use your car you can get done earlier and then do a bit of someone elses walk for nothing......... guess what we ALL do.

[HootyMacBoob]

On reflection, I also have concerns if this is to be the agreement re flexibility! my delivery office had problems for ages keeping a rep in place, as I’m sure is the case with other offices; the reps were harassed and bullied out of there positions through not being given an opportunity to perform a balance of union work and there delivery duty. We now have a rep who has led us excellently through this dispute but, he regularly has to visit other offices without reps to deal with things, what is the likely out come in offices with no daily union involvement?

Good points rsn200, sounds like you know your stuff mayb you should stand up and b counted and put in for the reps job you would get my backing

[Big Daz]

no it has to be rattified and agreed at national level otherwise a local interpretation is bound to be subject to all sorts of clauses put in by local brainwashed screws

My "screw" is not brain washed though, he has told his manager that 5% savings is impossible.