Being moved off your duty

[Broxi51]

What is the agreement regarding getting shifted off your own duty and put on another?
As far as I know, it can only happen when someone goes off sick that day and for that day only but I just want to make sure.
What happens if your manager puts you on a different delivery purely to cover annual leave?
What happens if you continue to refuse to move?
I was once told by an area rep that if they tried to suspend you for refusing then they had
to explain to their boss why and they would get their a**e kicked.
Has it changed?

[dvbuk55]

What is the agreement regarding getting shifted off your own duty and put on another?
As far as I know, it can only happen when someone goes off sick that day and for that day only but I just want to make sure.
What happens if your manager puts you on a different delivery purely to cover annual leave?
What happens if you continue to refuse to move?
I was once told by an area rep that if they tried to suspend you for refusing then they had
to explain to their boss why and they would get their a**e kicked.
Has it changed?

Well I wouldn't bank on that, I'd do it and put in a grievance rather than risk the manager getting his bottom pummelled. Times have changed from the days when managers had to justify their decisions.

[sindba]

Following on from this, what happens if you are on a float duty and the regular duty holder decides to work their day off? Who should do the duty and who should get moved?

[Martin Walsh]

Remember under resourcing to work load , duties do not come into the matter. This is why a number of duties near to the office are the ones normally absorbed.

Can they take you off your walk yes , should it be explained to you and the reasons for it yes.

Is it fair ?? that is an entirely different question ,

[dvbuk55]

Remember under resourcing to work load , duties do not come into the matter. This is why a number of duties near to the office are the ones normally absorbed.

Can they take you off your walk yes , should it be explained to you and the reasons for it yes.

Is it fair ?? that is an entirely different question ,

And the answer is?

[clashcityrocker]

And the answer is?

When the resign is done it should be clearly explained which duties are the probable/possible duties to be lapsed when traffic is below model week or there is a surplus of indoor hours.
When you sign for the duty you know you may have to move to allow that duty to be lapsed.
Is that fair?
I think so.

[dvbuk55]

And the answer is?

When the resign is done it should be clearly explained which duties are the probable/possible duties to be lapsed when traffic is below model week or there is a surplus of indoor hours.
When you sign for the duty you know you may have to move to allow that duty to be lapsed.
Is that fair?
I think so.

Well that's a lot of supposition there clash and if it isn't clear because many office resigns are on a wing and a prayer and certainly don't take into consideration lapsing, because it is a resource to workload problem and not a forward planning issue 6 months in advance - what then? is it fair?

[clashcityrocker]

Well that's a lot of supposition there clash and if it isn't clear because many office resigns are on a wing and a prayer and certainly don't take into consideration lapsing, because it is a resource to workload problem and not a forward planning issue 6 months in advance - what then? is it fair?

How is it a lot of supposition?
The basis for your revision and office staffing is your model week.
Lapsing isn't something that has been suddenly thrust upon us. The concept that when the traffic falls below model week there may be possibilities for lapsing isn't too difficult to grasp.
And if people prefer to sit back and say it doesn't work without actually involving/informing themselves then quite simply everyone should be made aware of the fact that if you sign for a duty near the office, when and if lapsing opportunities present themselves, you are getting taken off your duty.
To be honest I don't have a lot of time for the prissy prima donnas with OCD who can't do any other duty, (Unless they are Equality Act protected)

[gary1975]

Following on from this, what happens if you are on a float duty and the regular duty holder decides to work their day off? Who should do the duty and who should get moved?

If a duty holder wants to work his day off he should do any duty that needs covered had this row many times when I was a float

[Sidley]

Whereas the reality is that the boss will agree to the duty holder working on their own walk to encourage them to work their day off and if that hacks the cover guy off? Well you can guess how much of a rats ass they give. See your rep.

[dvbuk55]

Well that's a lot of supposition there clash and if it isn't clear because many office resigns are on a wing and a prayer and certainly don't take into consideration lapsing, because it is a resource to workload problem and not a forward planning issue 6 months in advance - what then? is it fair?

How is it a lot of supposition?
The basis for your revision and office staffing is your model week.
Lapsing isn't something that has been suddenly thrust upon us. The concept that when the traffic falls below model week there may be possibilities for lapsing isn't too difficult to grasp.
And if people prefer to sit back and say it doesn't work without actually involving/informing themselves then quite simply everyone should be made aware of the fact that if you sign for a duty near the office, when and if lapsing opportunities present themselves, you are getting taken off your duty.
To be honest I don't have a lot of time for the prissy prima donnas with OCD who can't do any other duty, (Unless they are Equality Act protected)

Well you suppose that there has been a revision and you suppose he's talking about lapsing and you suppose that he had a duty near to the office, that he was aware that his or any duty was earmarked for a future lapsing. You suppose that the lapsing is truly based on workload to resources and that of course is pie in the sky because all delivery officers know it is based on savings regardless of what the union say.

[19times]

I got moved off my duty the other week due to lapsing and it being near to the office, bear in mind I'd done this duty for over 2 years however they moved me to do another duty even closer to the office that I'd never done bizarre thinking, why not lapse that one instead

Jokers, could not manage a piss up in a brewery as they say.

p.s I wasnt that arsed as I still finished at my finish time regardless

[chrisj]

BTW, this move is not to accommodate lapsing - not the way the poster has put it...

He has been moved for a whole week to accommodate annual leave.

I am guessing this postie knows the round he has been moved to and the manager is struggling to cover that said round.

Is it fair? Probably not because the manager should ensure he/she trains enough reserves to cover every single duty in the office; and should not have to move an individual off his own round for a whole week. The odd day here and there is just about OK.

However, dingo's comment is the most relevant: duties belong to the office and RM - the manager should be able to manage resources and manpower as best fit.

Will 'resourcing to workload' and need for flexibility mean the end of rigid duty holder status and ways of working?

[Barbel]

I've been moved off my floating duty after being signed off sick for a couple of weeks. I haven't been officially told this yet and have heard it from another colleague who was offered the duty but refused it. This is the second time this has happened to me after being off either on holiday or sick. I bet I'll end up losing my long weekends too. I'm on light duties so haven't seen a manager about it yet.

[Sidley]

If the bosses move you from the duty you have signed for, for whatever reason, should you get to keep your day off rota intact?