Managers voluntary redundancy

[human1]

Lets say 800 just from operational side ... and not many come forward for redundancy ... ? then what ?

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

i think you will be surprised at how many managers out there who are pretty near retirement age who will be willing to take an EVR package, i know of at least 3 in our area who would jump at the chance of a pay off just now

[leadseal]

Depends on the terms being offered of course (have heard it's going to be approx 2 years salary), but I think they'll be oversubscribed.

There are 2 in my team (10 in total, non-ops) who are chomping at the bit.

If it does turn out to be 2 years (doubtful), I would strongly consider it myself. We all know that this won't be the final cull, but rather that it's just the beginning.

Now that it's a private company and due to the fact that all streams are either declining or stagnating, RM will look a lot different in 5 years time.

Have read some of your collective comments on here over the last week with interest, and don't blame you at all for some of the resentment you feel towards us.

I know personally one of the high-profile casualties, and this gentleman was RM through-and-through, and one of the rare breed from the upper echelons that you could take at his word. The company is losing a genuine nice guy.

Frontline are obviously safe for the next few years, but I personally can't see you getting the safety blanket of no compulsory redundancy ever again. This comment is not intended to be flippant or unpleasant toward you in any way, just a prediction of the future.

[thechemisyshop]

i think there will be a few managers bail ,, if you get offered a 2 year deal ,, and can get back into the job market first ,, before the big cull ,, it will come !!! ,, that's what i would do ,, RM has been top heavy in management for years ,, i think there will some serious wake up calls for a lot of people ,, if they treat people like they do in royal mail ,, there will be a few sore faces

[britwrit]

But they still appear to be recruiting for the graduate program? Is the difference in salaries between a new starter and an experienced manager so great that they won't cancel out? Or are the grads brought in each year relatively few?

[Straight4ward]

Be careful what you wish for - - - -.

We've just seen one line manager, who was universally unpopular, take EVR only to replace him with an even nastier piece of work.

[Brain Fury]

The offer of VR to operational managers is purely to create vacancy for non-operational managers who don't have jobs after the upcoming changes. The 1300 jobs to be lost will all come from the non-operational side but the business is worried that they won't get 1300 volunteers for redundancy unless they also include operational managers. There is no certainty that they will get 1300 volunteers anyway and pointedly RM will not give Unite a guarantee of no compulsory redundancy.

[DirtyHarry]

This company is a God-awful shower of c***s, so much so, even the most moronic idiots responsible for helping senior executives to completely make a dogs dinner of our jobs, are now stressed from being tasked to ask us to do the impossible on a daily basis. Plenty of those Rats will take the first opportunity to leave this stinking ship.

[human1]

Those who will get VR , what would they do in civvy street ? Delivering for private companies or driving taxies or buses ? they are no good for any thing else because there were FAILED and USELESS postperson on first place .

[Edward Hunter]

This company is a God-awful shower of c***s, so much so, even the most moronic idiots responsible for helping senior executives to completely make a dogs dinner of our jobs, are now stressed from being tasked to ask us to do the impossible on a daily basis. Plenty of those Rats will take the first opportunity to leave this stinking ship.

youre not an happy harry are you! And ive heard your office is ok.Lots still finishing nice and early?

[mickeymacca]

But they still appear to be recruiting for the graduate program? Is the difference in salaries between a new starter and an experienced manager so great that they won't cancel out? Or are the grads brought in each year relatively few?

I think that will always be the case britwit. Despite the disregard held for graduate managers, I guess they can be trained without having any influence of having done the job on the ground. I think, and this is only my limited knowledge that they are probably going to be drawing upon a wider range of skillsets (no laughing at the back) for managers going forward. To be honest a lot of the managers I have worked under have been good blokes, but very disorganised and not really up to the job. That said I can probably appreciate that there hands are tied in terms of resourcing issues because we are very under-staffed.......

[DirtyHarry]

This company is a God-awful shower of c***s, so much so, even the most moronic idiots responsible for helping senior executives to completely make a dogs dinner of our jobs, are now stressed from being tasked to ask us to do the impossible on a daily basis. Plenty of those Rats will take the first opportunity to leave this stinking ship.

youre not an happy harry are you! And ive heard your office is ok.Lots still finishing nice and early?

No, I'm not happy at all, Edward.
A few still finish early, but more finish on time, a few go over and don't claim, I'm sure you can guess who.
Not the job I signed up to, and if I had known then, what I know now, would never have stepped through the door in the first place.
As it stands, what with the way this country sheds jobs like there's no tomorrow, I'm stuck in a rut, and it makes me angry.
Apart from that, everything's hunky-dory.

[Edward Hunter]

I know who you mean mate. Tbh I don't know how they continue to "run" .I certainly don't bother to even try on my duty. Think I would pay for it for a couple of days with various joints and muscles asking me wtf are you playing at you silly old c..t!