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Stage 3 Grievance Appeal

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oneeye
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Stage 3 Grievance Appeal

Post by oneeye »

Good Morning. I am looking for some help.
At the moment I am on a stage 3 grievance appeal and far as I know the hearing should be heard by a manager from outside my workplace along with my union rep, but the management are pressurization me to keep it in house. And their want to have the meeting on a different shift pattern to the one that I am on.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated. :wink:
UnhappyGremlin
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Re: Stage 3 Grievance Appeal

Post by UnhappyGremlin »

As far as I'm aware, it should be heard by an outside manager. Though, this won't guarantee them being impartial.
Your Rep should be there. You may ask about an Area Rep being there instead, as they may be more knowledgeable about procedure, though I'd expect your Rep has sought their advice already.

They are pressurising you to keep it in house for one or two reasons. Maybe both.
If it stays with them, they can ignore it/hush it up/take zero action. Then you lose, before it's heard.
They may be willing to deal with the issue now, but want to keep it quiet so they don't get asked questions by others about their actions/failure to deal with it sooner.

As for being held on a different shift pattern, it is acceptable.
But' I'd insist on it being during my duty time, it's a work related issue, and it's probable they don't want to have to cover/pay for your duty to be done by someone else.

My own Rep, when dealing with these types of things, always asks for them to be dealt with by a manager OUTSIDE of our Area, as most managers working within the same 3 or 4 postcode areas will know each other, and may very well be mates. Even if they aren't, there may well be a nod and a wink situation going on.
You want it to be dealt with by someone who doesn't know you OR the person your complaint is against (especially if that person is a manager).

Good luck.
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Lincox
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Re: Stage 3 Grievance Appeal

Post by Lincox »

An appropriate manager with the authority and INDEPENDENCE to deal with the issue you are raising will be appointed to consider the appeal.

Anything other than this you should take no part in and insist that the appeal is carried out under the company,s procedures with regards to Grievances.

They tried this on me and wanted the DSM to carry out the appeal. This was informed to me by HR. I refused until an independent person was allocated. Even then I think, no I know that he was being manipulated by the powers that be.
blackadder
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Re: Stage 3 Grievance Appeal

Post by blackadder »

do you get a independent manager nowdays ? i find that hard to belive. i feel that any case is usuly dun and dusted by the managers over a sherry
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