Signing on sheets

[SierraOscarBravo]

Isn't it about time we had a proper clocking in/out system like most companies these days given that the sign yourself in/out system is widely abused and open to fraud.

In my office when I come in to start my shift at 6.30 I see fulltimers already signed in at 7.00 and they are in early prepping their walks. Some of them are in at 6.00 giving Royal Mail countless free hours and destroying the job for all of us. In my opinion when you sign on it should be the actual time you are due on. Nobody should be permitted to start work before their contracted start time. Aside from the whole question of what happens if they have an accident in this time when they are not insured to be in the building and working, it also distorts the whole operation for everyone else. Why these early starting pr**s do it I don't know because they end up being all in too early and can't go anywhere because the IPS is still running or they have to wait for P&L partners who start at the correct time.

Also in my office we have a lot of people finishing at anything from 12.30 to1.30 but signing out 2.30 or 2.45. If that is not fraud then what is? A clock in system would reveal actual hours worked and tackle this fraud.

[interesting]

What about the people that are slow and finish very late every day
Will they be got rid of because they can't do the job
At our we with start at 6.00 or 6.30
And it's very rare that people are that late in the morning

[TrueBlueTerrier]

A clock in system would reveal actual hours worked and tackle this fraud.

In my opinion it wouldn't tackle the fraud you suggest. It would provide more hurdles and barriers to make if more difficult,but it would be naive to think that people wouldn't find other methods and opportunities to get round a clocking in and out system.

[chrisj]

People can only get round a clocking system if they are allowed to...

A lot of industries especially factories and industrial types and supermarkets use a clocking system: any worker that think they can defraud their system will be discipline and possibly sacked.

If RM wants to introduce a clocking system they will and it will work - and it will be an easy way to get rid of a few members of staff that do not want to comply - the usual suspects. RM will not introduce a clocking system until we all decide to start working just our contracted hours - and that will not happen

[GT85]

Always wondered why the managers never checked the signing out sheets @ 1400 to see the amount of people that had gone home and signed out at 1430 then I realised that the managers had also gone home by then

[ebbzie]

Why would RM introduce a clocking in system when they have countless 100"s possibly more coming in early EVERY day giving them hours and hours of free graft?

[bustedflush]

Isn't it about time we had a proper clocking in/out system like most companies these days given that the sign yourself in/out system is widely abused and open to fraud.

In my office when I come in to start my shift at 6.30 I see fulltimers already signed in at 7.00 and they are in early prepping their walks. Some of them are in at 6.00 giving Royal Mail countless free hours and destroying the job for all of us. In my opinion when you sign on it should be the actual time you are due on. Nobody should be permitted to start work before their contracted start time. Aside from the whole question of what happens if they have an accident in this time when they are not insured to be in the building and working, it also distorts the whole operation for everyone else. Why these early starting pr**s do it I don't know because they end up being all in too early and can't go anywhere because the IPS is still running or they have to wait for P&L partners who start at the correct time.

Also in my office we have a lot of people finishing at anything from 12.30 to1.30 but signing out 2.30 or 2.45. If that is not fraud then what is? A clock in system would reveal actual hours worked and tackle this fraud.

I agree to an extent but it's not fraud unless the 'fraudster' has claimed overtime in the previous day(s) and/or has started early and completed his contractual hours. The sheets are mainly for safety and that's the main issue - if there was a fire for example and the sheets stated people were in the building recently but had gone home. Plus some people add 20-40 minutes to their leaving time as a daft 'justification' regarding the fact they haven't taken their meal relief(s).

[FinishOnTime]

And why would clocking in stop people from coming in early? Won't they just clock in early or still come in early and then clock in on their scheduled start time?

Why are some people so keen to have a go at their colleagues? Not saying it's right, but people come in early for loads of reasons. Yeah some are being selfish, but others I know are scared of the bullying and harassment that comes from being perceived as slow, or the grief they get when wanting to finish on their time. In the culture of RM is this so surprising?

I hope some posters on here are as strident with their managers as they want to appear to be with the people they work with.

[DGP1]

Soon they'll just use your ID to track you, scan into the office and then scan out (probably track you around the office too).