Divisional Reps

[motherhubbard]

Why don't the Divisional Reps from the "strong" areas spend some time (a month?) with their counterparts in the "weaker" areas to better understand the challenges their colleagues face and to pass on their wisdom?
Wouldn't it make the union stronger?

[Jamesethefirst]

Name names! Out these areas that are strong and those that are weak!

[chrisj]

Name names! Out these areas that are strong and those that are weak!

Perceived!

Moreover, RM pays their wages... and they would not want that to happen

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Name names! Out these areas that are strong and those that are weak!

Perceived!

Moreover, RM pays their wages...

not only that, RM allows them full time release from their duties in some areas, and then uses that full time release as leverage on some area reps

[motherhubbard]

Name names! Out these areas that are strong and those that are weak!

Weak = failure to get 94% returned yes votes in the recent industrial action ballot.

[Glenno]

Why don't the Divisional Reps from the "strong" areas spend some time (a month?) with their counterparts in the "weaker" areas to better understand the challenges their colleagues face and to pass on their wisdom?
Wouldn't it make the union stronger?

mother, if you was to try and modernise this Union would you take out the Div Rep's layer or
would you take out the Area Rep's layer????? just a question you understand Glenno

[POSTMAN]

s**t DIV rep: "London DIV rep,any chance of a hand mate?"

London DIV rep: "Up yours,you're paid to do a job,now feck off and do it,i'm busy".

[fishtank]

s**t DIV rep: "London DIV rep,any chance of a hand mate?"

London DIV rep: "Up yours, you're paid to do a job,now feck off and do it,i'm busy".

If it's just a job, it's just a job fair enough but for f**k sake let's stop pretending it's a national union because that's just embarrassing and if something national is needed, that's just tough s**t.

[Martin Walsh]

The standard of this board is going down. We used to have good debates but now those a who can't debate throw cheap insults.

Divisional reps operate differently. Some opt for being the delivery divisional rep , some opt for processing and network, some choose to do a lot of appeals. Some don't split the functions up. Some Divisions agree policy across the Branch's , some do not.

Perhaps because London was its own separate union before merging with the letter carriers and then the UPW , or because London is a cit. Or whether we have had an London District Council we do seem to have stuck together.

We have had countless disputes when London have been out not just official or unofficial and it's not just one branch it's I'll of the London Branch's that does tend to build a trust amongst reps and members.

We have seen lots of changes in London and we have probably contributed more in terms of Royal Mail savings then any other section of the membership. Wee have lost 9 Mail centres in 18 years , we have seen that land purchased for hundreds of millions and the nine elms site will probably go for even more.

Wee have seen thousands of jobs go as it is. Cheaper to do the work outside the inner London weighting zone.

We have seen for geographical reasons more delivery mergers then anywhere else. In fact Royal Mail even sold 6 delivery offices in West London to lease as site in NW10 the problem for them now is that they now have 90 minutes travelling time on each duty which obviously limits productivity.

We still have 40 revisions to.go and we have am agreement with management that the phase 4 target does not have to be 100 and that this is a. Negotiation Od course our members and reps want a. Good deal and will vote on any deal.

We have over 60 VRs tied to the revision but there may be more depending on the outcome.

As for Divisional reps, they all try and do a good job in a challenging environment. .

[fishtank]

The standard of this board is going down. We used to have good debates but now those a who can't debate throw cheap insults.

Where's the cheap insults in the thread?
You're starting to sound paranoid dingo and that's not a cheap insult by the way, you're also consistently running the board down now which is a bit nasty.

You posted in another thread how strong the London area was etc so it's not really surprising if others are asking questions of their divisional reps is it?

[motherhubbard]

I asked:
Why don't the Divisional Reps from the "strong" areas spend some time (a month?) with their counterparts in the "weaker" areas to better understand the challenges their colleagues face and to pass on their wisdom?
Wouldn't it make the union stronger?

You replied:
The standard of this board is going down. We used to have good debates but now those a who can't debate throw cheap insults.

Divisional reps operate differently. Some opt for being the delivery divisional rep , some opt for processing and network, some choose to do a lot of appeals. Some don't split the functions up. Some Divisions agree policy across the Branch's , some do not.

Perhaps because London was its own separate union before merging with the letter carriers and then the UPW , or because London is a cit. Or whether we have had an London District Council we do seem to have stuck together.

We have had countless disputes when London have been out not just official or unofficial and it's not just one branch it's I'll of the London Branch's that does tend to build a trust amongst reps and members.

We have seen lots of changes in London and we have probably contributed more in terms of Royal Mail savings then any other section of the membership. Wee have lost 9 Mail centres in 18 years , we have seen that land purchased for hundreds of millions and the nine elms site will probably go for even more.

Wee have seen thousands of jobs go as it is. Cheaper to do the work outside the inner London weighting zone.

We have seen for geographical reasons more delivery mergers then anywhere else. In fact Royal Mail even sold 6 delivery offices in West London to lease as site in NW10 the problem for them now is that they now have 90 minutes travelling time on each duty which obviously limits productivity.

We still have 40 revisions to go and we have am agreement with management that the phase 4 target does not have to be 100 and that this is a. Negotiation Od course our members and reps want a. Good deal and will vote on any deal.

We have over 60 VRs tied to the revision but there may be more depending on the outcome.

As for Divisional reps, they all try and do a good job in a challenging environment.

Sorry if I am being obtuse but you haven't answered the question.
Unless the answer is, despite all the chest thumping of we got 94% yes votes etc etc, we go out and talk to the members etc etc, you know you wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to any other area in the country.
2014 and you still have 40 revisions to go........
And of course your target bsi doesn't have to be 100 but if you were dealing with an office that was already at 90 then you would.

[Martin Walsh]

Mother the reason why it is not common for other divisional reps to ask for help or other divisional reps to offer help is that divisional reps are elected by the members in their division and some deal with a number of directors from processing , delivery , network , international , CIT and admin. We are not elected to represent members in other divisions.

Mother why don't you tell me what your branch is or indeed division is.

In terms of whether we would agree a revision going to an 100 from say 90 well it will depend on a number of issues such as
1 In the opinion of the office that if we did then the office could clear
2 That the attendance patterns that the staff voted for including for reserves were included in the option.
3 start times were acceptable.
4 The spans took into account the Mira's
5 there was a people solution for impacted on any head count reduction.
6 That any FTCs who were over the 2 year threshold got a permanent job.
7 that any agreement was subject to a members vote.

these are the terms for any revision that we agree.

Really they should have been the standards for any office there is nothing there which is asking for anything which is not covered by the National agreement

The only difference I make is that we still have the biggest chunk of the revisions left to do 40 across London and the reason for this is that we all agreed not to progress revisions until management 1 agreed that revisions would not be set at 100 including that there would be no flight path and that the negotiations would be more pragmatic 2 that FTCs would be made up and that there would be funding for VRs.

Out of the 40 revisions still to do in London 2 are in East , 8 are in NW , the remaining 30 are in South East and South West London.

I have never said that it's the divisional reps who make the difference in London , I do believe the unity of the Branch's and that we are organised and create a united policy helps protect the members we represent.

[Himaggen]

It doesn't matter whether a Rep has been voted by a specific section of the Membership, in order to be a true Union we should be united, the only way to do that is to ensure that best practice is extended throughout the divisional network. The only people failing to comprehend this are the 'I'm alright Jack's in the stronger divisions, who seem intent on keeping their own rather generous slice of the pie.

[dvbuk55]

Well if all the Divisional Reps are doing such a sterling job why is the union in such a mess. Why are offices negotiating crap deals: is it because the Div Reps are spending too much time being trained by Royal Mail into a "can do culture".............where I think RM have chosen the wrong pony or they should have called it the "can't do culture" if it involves work.

[motherhubbard]

I have never said that it's the divisional reps who make the difference in London , I do believe the unity of the Branch's and that we are organised and create a united policy helps protect the members we represent.

But you also said:
It is not easy but you have to meet the members and explain that the only way they will gain concessions is by standing together. We work on that in London and we meet the members regularly and they prove they trust the union by supporting in ballots. 94% of those who voted on the strike ballot voted yes in London where some divisions did not get over 70%.

Now how easy is it for you to "meet the members"?
How far away is your furthest delivery office and how long does it take you to get there?
Now ask your Scottish counterpart how far away his furthest delivery office is and how long would it take him to get there "to meet the members" and explain blah blah blah........

And that's twice you have asked me my Branch.
A bit inappropriate to be asking me to give out such personal information isn't it?
Any more of that and I'll have to report you to a moderator.