so who is still voting no...

[BingBong]

who is still voting no to the new deal? with increased cases of walkouts due to bullying in recent weeks it makes it more clear that a no strike in the agreement is a bad bad sign as we wont be able to walk out in support of our colleagues.

i can see bullying going through the roof.

[OnAFlyer]

who is still voting no to the new deal? with increased cases of walkouts due to bullying in recent weeks it makes it more clear that a no strike in the agreement is a bad bad sign as we wont be able to walk out in support of our colleagues.

i can see bullying going through the roof.

Of course you'll still be able to walk out as individual offices.

[BingBong]

who is still voting no to the new deal? with increased cases of walkouts due to bullying in recent weeks it makes it more clear that a no strike in the agreement is a bad bad sign as we wont be able to walk out in support of our colleagues.

i can see bullying going through the roof.

Of course you'll still be able to walk out as individual offices.

im not convinced.

[hans solo]

voting no as many of my fellow DELIVERY posties also will

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

who is still voting no to the new deal? with increased cases of walkouts due to bullying in recent weeks it makes it more clear that a no strike in the agreement is a bad bad sign as we wont be able to walk out in support of our colleagues.

i can see bullying going through the roof.

Of course you'll still be able to walk out as individual offices.

im not convinced.

we cant walk out at the moment in support of our colleagues unless its been properly balloted and correctly implemented and proper notice given, these have all been unofficial walkouts, this agreement is not giving away our right to unofficially walk out as we never had that right to do that in the first place,

we do walk out as has been happening recently but these are all completely unofficial and with no sanction from the CWU to do so it is a no official strike clause which is a big difference

[britwrit]

In theory, I suppose walking out unofficially under this new agreement might get more results. The mediators get called in after two days and so, the problem would solved a lot quicker.

Would that happen? Eh. On the face, it's not a bad agreement. Given the history between labor and management, though, I doubt it.

Too bad we can't just divorce our employer - like it was a bad marriage - and go to work, en masse, for someone else.

[fishtank]

As far as unofficial walkouts are concerned what this agreement will do in its own words is..


Where despite the best endeavours of both Royal Mail and CWU, unballoted industrial action occurs, the Divisional Representative (or equivalent) and the Head of Industrial Relations will be immediately informed.

They will work with the local representatives of both parties to identify the cause of the industrial action, resolve differences, return to work and if necessary engage in due process. Unless there is an expectation of a quick return to work they will arrange for Special Mediators to be appointed.

The purpose of Special Mediation is to ensure an immediate return to work while issues and grievances are investigated. The mediators will be appointed from a national panel of managers and CWU officials. Panel members will be jointly selected for their ability to intervene in conflict situations and broker solutions. The mediators allocated to help resolve a particular dispute will not have a connection with the business unit/area or union branch. Where it is agreed, a single mediator who has the confidence of both parties may be appointed.

In the event that the industrial action continues beyond 48 hours, during which time the national parties will discuss the situation, the matter will be referred for external mediation as outlined in paragraph 5.4.

In respect of unballoted industrial action the CWU will act in accordance with its legal obligations.

[chrisj]

So Bingbong, are you starting a 'No' campaign?

It seems that those in opposition or those with reservations about the Agreement are being goaded into having a 'No' group of some sort?

If it is not goading then is it a cry for help from the collaborators?

Yes it a NO from me. And another from my office... But a lot do not have a clue, not that bothered or will just simply take the cue from the hierarchy or worry too much about back pay and protections...

[BingBong]

So Bingbong, are you starting a 'No' campaign?

It seems that those in opposition or those with reservations about the Agreement are being goaded into having a 'No' group of some sort?

If it is not goading then is it a cry for help from the collaborators?

Yes it a NO from me. And another from my office... But a lot do not have a clue, not that bothered or will just simply take the cue from the hierarchy or worry too much about back pay and protections...

not a campaign. just asking what people are thinking.

[NewPostieUK]

Until the problems with workload, door to doors, forced overtime etc etc are sorted, I'll keep voting no.

[aiden01]

Until the problems with workload, door to doors, forced overtime etc etc are sorted, I'll keep voting no.

no.one can force you to do overtime.

[fishtank]

no.one can force you to do overtime.

And a part-timer trying to earn a living says no once and gets passed over for OT for a month.
Or a fixed-term contract gets that "well you do know your contract is up for renewal soon"
Or even a permanent member of staff gets the old "well the computer says you should be able to do that in time and bob the flyer can do it so maybe the problem is you....".

It's easy to say no-one can force you to do overtime but deliveries isn't like a mailcentre where the clock rules your workload, out here in deliveryland the workload can rule the clock and the level of representation in some offices and branches is piss poor.

[aiden01]

no.one can force you to do overtime.

And a part-timer trying to earn a living says no once and gets passed over for OT for a month.
Or a fixed-term contract gets that "well you do know your contract is up for renewal soon"
Or even a permanent member of staff gets the old "well the computer says you should be able to do that in time and bob the flyer can do it so maybe the problem is you....".

It's easy to say no-one can force you to do overtime but deliveries isn't like a mailcentre where the clock rules your workload, out here in deliveryland the workload can rule the clock and the level of representation in some offices and branches is piss poor.

maybe it is easy to say working in a mc but as you quote the level of representation in some offices and branches is piss poor surely that's up to those do,s to ask for better representation. maybe from hq. I bet it does,nt happen in your do.

[chrisj]

What you have to realise Aiden is that so many people in delivery are saying more or less the same things...

As mentioned, we have a job to do that is not always a straightforward in times of how long it takes to complete. Ultimately, most delivery postie will like to complete the job - and I mean 'their' personal task for the day or years depending if you have your own walk.

It is a bit of a headbanger if we have to keep repeating the same thing about workload in delivery and people being forced or threatened to work more than their contractual hours - sometimes for no extra recompense.

And when people talk about the issue of time and that it is not like a MC, it is very true and you have to do it in some of the offices that are not so rock Union solid strong to realise what it is like.

And please please do not even try to blame the Reps... The spate of Rep sacking or disciplinary action should tell you something. And these reps can still be pulled for performance issues - being a Rep in delivery does not give a postie a free pass on him doing his work or lapsing or not being paid OT, if the manager disagrees.

[aiden01]

apoligies if you think i.m trying to blame reps but if this agreement is vote in we all know that mc staff or in the minority so del staff will only have themselves to blame.