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Boxing day

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ROSSCO
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Boxing day

Post by ROSSCO »

My day off for xmas week is Boxing Day.
Am I right in thinking that my options are a day in lieu or I can take that days pay as overtime instead of the day in lieu?
I am sure I read you could take the hours for that day as overtime.
I would much prefer this as I am already carrying 4 days over to next year and have a feeling it will be a nightmare getting them in.
hantsman
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Re: Boxing day

Post by hantsman »

ROSSCO wrote:My day off for xmas week is Boxing Day.
Am I right in thinking that my options are a day in lieu or I can take that days pay as overtime instead of the day in lieu?
I am sure I read you could take the hours for that day as overtime.
I would much prefer this as I am already carrying 4 days over to next year and have a feeling it will be a nightmare getting them in.

TIL,

No overtime.
welshy808
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Re: Boxing day

Post by welshy808 »

Christmas and New Year Arrangements 2013/14

3.4 Rest days will apply in line with normal year round arrangements. Attendances may be varied by local agreement to take account of workload forecasts and service requirements. Where workload requires people can volunteer to work their normal rest day in return for a day in lieu or scheduled attendance

Where a rest day falls on a Bank Holiday (i.e. 25, 26 December or 1 January, plus 2 January in Scotland) and it is not operationally sensible to transfer the rest day to another day in the same week people will receive an additional day holiday (including those working ‘a week off in six’ or other variations on this theme) in the form of a day in lieu or alternatively the excess hours can be taken as normal overtime
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hans solo
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Re: Boxing day

Post by hans solo »

you will not get ot or monies for owed days
btw they owe me 10 days and mines falls on xmas day 11 days then
k979aaa
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Re: Boxing day

Post by k979aaa »

ROSSCO wrote:My day off for xmas week is Boxing Day.
Am I right in thinking that my options are a day in lieu or I can take that days pay as overtime instead of the day in lieu?
I am sure I read you could take the hours for that day as overtime.
I would much prefer this as I am already carrying 4 days over to next year and have a feeling it will be a nightmare getting them in.
No you will not have much work on boxing day but you will get another day which makes 5 days a week you may even get the choice of week but you will get it keep records of it like you have done!
borgpicard
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Re: Boxing day

Post by borgpicard »

Its your choice, NOT the dim`s
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Boxing day

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

You are best to ask your office rep about this, some offices pay OT for the days in lieu some dont
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Boxing day

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borgpicard wrote:Its your choice, NOT the dim`s
not quite, dom can insist on it being taken as annual leave if he has space to do so and if it is considered part of your statutory annual leave
welshy808
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Re: Boxing day

Post by welshy808 »

zx135 wrote:
borgpicard wrote:Its your choice, NOT the dim`s
not quite, dom can insist on it being taken as annual leave if he has space to do so and if it is considered part of your statutory annual leave
That's not what the National agreement says, as I posted above. If the day is not taken in the same week, you can either have a day in lieu or take the hours as normal rate overtime. This applies to every office and did last year. Before that I think it was done on an office by office basis.
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Boxing day

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

welshy808 wrote:
zx135 wrote:
borgpicard wrote:Its your choice, NOT the dim`s
not quite, dom can insist on it being taken as annual leave if he has space to do so and if it is considered part of your statutory annual leave
That's not what the National agreement says, as I posted above. If the day is not taken in the same week, you can either have a day in lieu or take the hours as normal rate overtime. This applies to every office and did last year. Before that I think it was done on an office by office basis.
2 things,

1 the national agreement gives the options on what should be done for the lieu day, it doesnt say who its up to to decide whether it can be paid as OT or taken as day in lieu

2 our annual leave entitlement less bank holidays is less than the statutory minimum leave under uk working time laws, as such the statutory minimum is made up with some of our bank holiday days to bring us up to the legal minimum of 28 days leave per year, now if by some magically coincidence you got all the bank holidays back in the same year as lieu days then 4.5 of them(for new starts) would not be able to be carried forward or paid as overtime as they must be scheduled as annual leave by management to make up the minimum statutory requirement otherwise they would be breaking the law
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Boxing day

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See:

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement- ... ving-a-job" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Getting paid instead of taking holidays
The only time someone can get paid in place of taking statutory leave (known as ‘payment in lieu’) is when they leave their job. Employers must pay for untaken statutory leave (even if the worker is dismissed for gross misconduct).

If an employer offers more than 5.6 weeks annual leave, they can agree separate arrangements for the extra leave
PhilthyPhil
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Post by PhilthyPhil »

zx135 wrote:See:

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement- ... ving-a-job" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Getting paid instead of taking holidays
The only time someone can get paid in place of taking statutory leave (known as ‘payment in lieu’) is when they leave their job. Employers must pay for untaken statutory leave (even if the worker is dismissed for gross misconduct).

If an employer offers more than 5.6 weeks annual leave, they can agree separate arrangements for the extra leave
That is irrelevent. If the overtime option is taken you would still be taking the bank holiday, the overtime payment is is lieu of your day off.
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Boxing day

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

PhilthyPhil wrote:
zx135 wrote:See:

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement- ... ving-a-job" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Getting paid instead of taking holidays
The only time someone can get paid in place of taking statutory leave (known as ‘payment in lieu’) is when they leave their job. Employers must pay for untaken statutory leave (even if the worker is dismissed for gross misconduct).

If an employer offers more than 5.6 weeks annual leave, they can agree separate arrangements for the extra leave
That is irrelevent. If the overtime option is taken you would still be taking the bank holiday, the overtime payment is is lieu of your day off.
Its not irrelevent, you are not allowed to recieve payment in lieu of statutory time off
fishtank
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Re: Boxing day

Post by fishtank »

Welshy is right.
I've been to disagreement over this.
The only option that is in the hands of management is transferring your day off to another day that week,if they don't which 9 times out of 10 they won't do the choice of a day in lieu or overtime is ours.
Its not irrelevent, you are not allowed to recieve payment in lieu of statutory time off
You're not.
You're receiving payment in lieu of your day off.
You still get the BH off.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
IcanthelpthewayIam
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Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

fishtank wrote:
Its not irrelevent, you are not allowed to recieve payment in lieu of statutory time off
You're not.
You're receiving payment in lieu of your day off.
You still get the BH off.
again your not allowed to receive a payment in lieu of a statutory day off