ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Got a question for a CWU Rep? And all CWU related matters.
postality
Posts: 57
Joined: 14 Feb 2013, 22:03
Gender: Male

Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by postality »

RM threatend with fines from ofcom the other day, will this and threat of IA put the CWU in a better position to get a decent deal.

Surely if stamped mail is dropping as fast as RM's spin says it is then delivering the paltry amount on time shouldnt be a problem?

Shareholders must be fuming. :mad
fishtank
Posts: 19732
Joined: 28 Sep 2007, 17:22
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by fishtank »

The obvious answer to Royal Mail failing to reach it's delivery targets is to change those delivery targets.

How much of what we deliver is actually time sensitive to the point where it needs to be delivered next day?
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
postality
Posts: 57
Joined: 14 Feb 2013, 22:03
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by postality »

But the threat of fines is real, and cash is king in a privately owned business.

The targets are there to be hit regardless of wether you or i think the items should be there next day.

Customer pays for service, service expected.

Interestingly i had to wait 10 days for a 1st class important legal letter recently..

I was a bit pissed off tbh.
Bahia Feliz
Posts: 1169
Joined: 22 Sep 2008, 21:04
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by Bahia Feliz »

If you start a company delivering letters to certain areas (TNT) you only have to deliver 3 days a week and,you can call your workers when their time is up to return to the office with any undelivered mail!
postality
Posts: 57
Joined: 14 Feb 2013, 22:03
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by postality »

Bahia Feliz wrote:If you start a company delivering letters to certain areas (TNT) you only have to deliver 3 days a week and,you can call your workers when their time is up to return to the office with any undelivered mail!

But are they NOT under obligation of the USO?
So that is up to them. We are under that obligation and the union im sure want us to continue to be..let's not say why can't we be like TNT let's say they should be more like us.
Bahia Feliz
Posts: 1169
Joined: 22 Sep 2008, 21:04
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by Bahia Feliz »

postality wrote:
Bahia Feliz wrote:If you start a company delivering letters to certain areas (TNT) you only have to deliver 3 days a week and,you can call your workers when their time is up to return to the office with any undelivered mail!

But are they NOT under obligation of the USO?
So that is up to them. We are under that obligation and the union im sure want us to continue to be..let's not say why can't we be like TNT let's say they should be more like us.
I agree
dvbuk55
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 16650
Joined: 02 Jun 2007, 19:17
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by dvbuk55 »

postality wrote:But the threat of fines is real, and cash is king in a privately owned business.

The targets are there to be hit regardless of wether you or i think the items should be there next day.

Customer pays for service, service expected.

Interestingly i had to wait 10 days for a 1st class important legal letter recently..

I was a bit pissed off tbh.

If it had a date stamp check it because it's highly unlikely the delay was Royal Mails fault.
postality
Posts: 57
Joined: 14 Feb 2013, 22:03
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by postality »

dvbuk55 wrote:
postality wrote:But the threat of fines is real, and cash is king in a privately owned business.

The targets are there to be hit regardless of wether you or i think the items should be there next day.

Customer pays for service, service expected.

Interestingly i had to wait 10 days for a 1st class important legal letter recently..

I was a bit pissed off tbh.

If it had a date stamp check it because it's highly unlikely the delay was Royal Mails fault.
Was post marked 4th delivered 14th 10 days
postality
Posts: 57
Joined: 14 Feb 2013, 22:03
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by postality »

postality wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:
postality wrote:But the threat of fines is real, and cash is king in a privately owned business.

The targets are there to be hit regardless of wether you or i think the items should be there next day.

Customer pays for service, service expected.

Interestingly i had to wait 10 days for a 1st class important legal letter recently..

I was a bit pissed off tbh.

If it had a date stamp check it because it's highly unlikely the delay was Royal Mails fault.
Was post marked 4th delivered 14th 10 days
Im constantly trying to defend ourselves while on delivery explaining to recipitents that the firm probably hasnt even sent the letter yet and they always blame posties first...but when your the one waiting you can understand their frustration
arnold cheshire
Posts: 5309
Joined: 14 Oct 2010, 21:28
Gender: Male
Location: england

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by arnold cheshire »

13 million fine out of 400 million profit nobody cares :funneh
postality
Posts: 57
Joined: 14 Feb 2013, 22:03
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by postality »

bringon4dayweeks wrote:13 million fine out of 400 million profit nobody cares :funneh

13million and no one cares ?

Dont forget the damage to reputation
k979aaa
Posts: 12578
Joined: 03 Sep 2007, 19:14
Gender: Male
Location: THE NORTH

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by k979aaa »

postality wrote:
bringon4dayweeks wrote:13 million fine out of 400 million profit nobody cares :funneh

13million and no one cares ?

Dont forget the damage to reputation
As long as senior management get their bonus and the board get their remuneration and we the humble postie pay for it through unpaid hours who gives a f**k!
freelunch
Posts: 358
Joined: 14 Oct 2012, 20:39
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by freelunch »

fishtank wrote:The obvious answer to Royal Mail failing to reach it's delivery targets is to change those delivery targets.

How much of what we deliver is actually time sensitive to the point where it needs to be delivered next day?
We have a winner! ^^^^^^ :Applause

RM will agree a new set of targets with OFCOM - "bringing the regulatory requirements into line with today's customers' needs" or something :whistle
"Everybody has a plan.. until they get punched in the face" - Mike Tyson
postality
Posts: 57
Joined: 14 Feb 2013, 22:03
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by postality »

freelunch wrote:
fishtank wrote:The obvious answer to Royal Mail failing to reach it's delivery targets is to change those delivery targets.

How much of what we deliver is actually time sensitive to the point where it needs to be delivered next day?
We have a winner! ^^^^^^ :Applause

RM will agree a new set of targets with OFCOM - "bringing the regulatory requirements into line with today's customers' needs" or something :whistle
Yeh probably :neutral: take your points
El-Bandito
Posts: 313
Joined: 27 Jan 2009, 14:14
Gender: Male

Re: Will the threat of fines from ofcom influence RM

Post by El-Bandito »

postality wrote:RM threatend with fines from ofcom the other day, will this and threat of IA put the CWU in a better position to get a decent deal.

Surely if stamped mail is dropping as fast as RM's spin says it is then delivering the paltry amount on time shouldnt be a problem?

Shareholders must be fuming. :mad
The simple answer is NO.