Clocking-On cards

[tansorboy]

Why don't we have clocking-on cards? Several people on the lighter rounds in my unit regularly go home at 12 noon, but put 13.30 down on the sheet as they leave. They are contracted to 14.18 but refuse to take out parcels from the heavier walks, citing family reasons....I thought we were all supposed to be honest!

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Why don't we have clocking-on cards? Several people on the lighter rounds in my unit regularly go home at 12 noon, but put 13.30 down on the sheet as they leave. They are contracted to 14.18 but refuse to take out parcels from the heavier walks, citing family reasons....I thought we were all supposed to be honest!

Royal mail dont want it:
Staff working for free before the start of their shifts

Union doesnt want it:
members getting finished early, job and finish is technically gone, but its still in place all over the country

Having them would solve a hell of a lot of problems and in fact probably end up in getting a lot of part timers made up in hours, but there is a reluctance on both sides to push for them

[wandle]

Why don't we have clocking-on cards?
Having them would solve a hell of a lot of problems and in fact probably end up in getting a lot of part timers made up in hours, but there is a reluctance on both sides to push for them

Our ID badges, at the office I work in, activate the main entrance door. It is compulsory to wear them, whenever you are on RM premises. But they can be programmed so that they cannot open certain doors, for security reasons. Now surely it must therefore be possible to program each and every person's ID badge, so that you cannot gain entry to your MC/DO/RDC or other place of work until, say, a maximum of 5 minutes before your scheduled start time? Stop the 'early starters' in their tracks. They can't go in early, if they cannot gain access to the building !
Also, what's the legal position, if - god forbid - there were a fire and someone who should not have been in the building at the time of the fire were killed in the blaze ?

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Why don't we have clocking-on cards?
Having them would solve a hell of a lot of problems and in fact probably end up in getting a lot of part timers made up in hours, but there is a reluctance on both sides to push for them

Our ID badges, at the office I work in, activate the main entrance door. It is compulsory to wear them, whenever you are on RM premises. But they can be programmed so that they cannot open certain doors, for security reasons. Now surely it must therefore be possible to program each and every person's ID badge, so that you cannot gain entry to your MC/DO/RDC or other place of work until, say, a maximum of 5 minutes before your scheduled start time? Stop the 'early starters' in their tracks. They can't go in early, if they cannot gain access to the building !
Also, what's the legal position, if - god forbid - there were a fire and someone who should not have been in the building at the time of the fire were killed in the blaze ?

As long as they have signed in then the legal position is just the exact same as any other worker

As I said who is going to push for the changes, there is no appetite to change things by either RM or the Union

[darren d]

What I would like to know if anybody has the answer is are these people insured when they come in early if something happens ,or does the company insurance void them as they are not suppose to be on the premises?

[Chelseablue]

And if theres no a first aider about when these ppl come in early? Surely thats a huge no no ?

[dvbuk55]

And if theres no a first aider about when these ppl come in early? Surely thats a huge no no ?

And if the first aider goes sick, on leave, left for the day?

[the beautiful bd south]

as zx said
as long as they have signed on they are fully covered.
it is the individuals responsibility to sign on as soon as the enter the building so if there was a fire/incident the managers would know they were missing.

although why anyone would want clocking on cards is beyond me.

[tansorboy]

as zx said
as long as they have signed on they are fully covered.
it is the individuals responsibility to sign on as soon as the enter the building so if there was a fire/incident the managers would know they were missing.

although why anyone would want clocking on cards is beyond me.

My original point was about people leaving early, but signing out as if they had left later, to protect their lighter rounds. It is just plain lying.

[darkgable]

This for me would be the answer. Even though i would hate it, i am guilty of coming in early a going home early. There would be no point in coming in early if you couldn't leave until your finish time. Or if you did leave early you didn't get a full days pay. I could see absorption and summer lapsin, on busy days becoming a thing of the past. Alot of the walks cant be done within their time on a wed ,thur, friday. So the result of every one coming in on there time would be Royal mail seeing exactly how bad some of these jobs they have created are. For me it would solve allot of our problems and create allot of problems for royal mail. But sadly the modern day postman is selfish ! and its all about getting finished !

[tansorboy]

This for me would be the answer. Even though i would hate it, i am guilty of coming in early a going home early. There would be no point in coming in early if you couldn't leave until your finish time. Or if you did leave early you didn't get a full days pay. I could see absorption and summer lapsin, on busy days becoming a thing of the past. Alot of the walks cant be done within their time on a wed ,thur, friday. So the result of every one coming in on there time would be Royal mail seeing exactly how bad some of these jobs they have created are. For me it would solve allot of our problems and create allot of problems for royal mail. But sadly the modern postman is selfish and its all about getting finished !

[maisymoo04]

That's why we're in this s**t because off the bell @@@@ who come in early , don't have brake , rush round , all to blame said this from day 1 and guess what am not one of them ( bell @@@ I mean )

[the beautiful bd south]

as zx said
as long as they have signed on they are fully covered.
it is the individuals responsibility to sign on as soon as the enter the building so if there was a fire/incident the managers would know they were missing.

although why anyone would want clocking on cards is beyond me.

My original point was about people leaving early, but signing out as if they had left later, to protect their lighter rounds. It is just plain lying.

Maybe they are just efficient?
You can bet if there was some indoor work at the end of the duty they would not be back to the office as quick.
You will never make every delivery even unfortunatly that is the nature of the job.
My opinion is good luck to those who can make a bit of time and you never know you may get the opportunity to do that round yourself in the future so why spoil a good thing.

[bandit1157]

Maybe they are just efficient?
You can bet if there was some indoor work at the end of the duty they would not be back to the office as quick.
You will never make every delivery even unfortunatly that is the nature of the job.
My opinion is good luck to those who can make a bit of time and you never know you may get the opportunity to do that round yourself in the future so why spoil a good thing.

You might of got hold of the wrong end of the stick I'm afraid, my office for example.

Trolley walks, one Man one walk, come in early, no break, no large packets, only tracked that will go through letterbox, only specials they can get to before 1.00pm (no breaking off on foot) out well before P&L use car finish early, do not go back to office.

P&L, two men two walks, come in on time, have break, all packets for two walks plus packets that a driver used to deliver, all tracked and specials for both walks. Out well after trolley walks, return to office and pouch off.

Even if you took away the early start and no break the trolley walk holders would still be out before the P&L.
Bottom line trolley walks have less work and more time to do the job. But to save even more time nearly everyone of them cut every corner possible. Not one on a trolley walk would swap for P&L. Personally I don't mind park and loop or working until my finish time but Royal Mail seemingly can't understand that the amount of work can't be done in the time allowed on P&L. I don't take the p**s and I'll be damned if I'll let Royal Mail take the p**s out of me. The "I'm alright jack" attitude shown by some of our fellow workers is partly responsible for us being unable to sort this mess out.
I am only speaking about my office, could be different at other offices.