Another 7 days

[BingBong]

Rumour going around today about union giving rm another 7 days meaning another ballot if things aren't sorted out. Just a rumour mind. Not a good one at that.

[arnold cheshire]

Rumour going around today about union giving rm another 7 days meaning another ballot if things aren't sorted out. Just a rumour mind. Not a good one at that.

yes i said that then another 7 days etc till after xmas

[daveyeff]

Rumour going around today about union giving rm another 7 days meaning another ballot if things aren't sorted out. Just a rumour mind. Not a good one at that.

bollox

[BingBong]

Rumour going around today about union giving rm another 7 days meaning another ballot if things aren't sorted out. Just a rumour mind. Not a good one at that.

yes i said that then another 7 days etc till after xmas

When do we find out? Today or tomorrow?

[Godric]

Rumour going around today about union giving rm another 7 days meaning another ballot if things aren't sorted out. Just a rumour mind. Not a good one at that.

it is rubbish Royal Mail will not provide a further extension to the strike deadline .... if no deal is signed tomorrow we are on strike the following week

[arnold cheshire]

Rumour going around today about union giving rm another 7 days meaning another ballot if things aren't sorted out. Just a rumour mind. Not a good one at that.

yes i said that then another 7 days etc till after xmas

When do we find out? Today or tomorrow?

id say wednesday tommorrow

[wandle]

it is rubbish Royal Mail will not provide a further extension to the strike deadline .... if no deal is signed tomorrow we are on strike the following week

It does not automatically follow. The CWU still have to serve the legally- required 7 days notice. If that notice is not served in time, the ballot validity will expire. A new strike ballot would then have to be conducted

[Patrick301]

what the point in voting yes again
when then union dont act on the overwhemling ballot result for strike action
they just ignore ballot results

[wandle]

what the point in voting yes again
when then union dont act on the overwhemling ballot result for strike action
they just ignore ballot results

... and if we get an agreement, and it is put out for us to vote on, there'll be no point in voting No, either. Because the process of conducting the ballot, counting the votes and - if the strike ballot remains 'live' - serving 7 days notice to RM will put a potential strike date very close to Christmas Day. Or worse, after Christmas

[Martin Walsh]

Rumour going around today about union giving rm another 7 days meaning another ballot if things aren't sorted out. Just a rumour mind. Not a good one at that.

You would not want to rely on your office for hearing the truth amongst all the rumours.

Look Royal Mail have said they do not want to give a further extension on the ballot because of the pressure they are under. Now if we get close well maybe they will but at this point we are still some distance apart.

So unless there is significant progress today then the CWU will have to meet with the PEC to decide on the strike action open to them. There are a range of options open to the CWU.

Now wandle the CWU have taken more strike action then all the other unions put together and know we have to serve notice before 1700 tomorrow.

For the life of me , I dont why people expect regular updates on the talks , that never happens and quite frankly anyone who has been involved in high level negotiations before know that a lot of time your not actually in the room together but drafting words and sections or ACAS and Roger Poole are doing their mediation process trying to get the parties closer. Equally a lot of issues are dependent on each side agreeing on all issues. Imagine if the CWU put out an LTB on the talks and all of sudden there is uproar in union circles over some supporting the CWU and some opposing. When in reality you have not seen the full agreement and words covering all issues. Equally what if Royal Mail updated their members and shareholders and they demanded harsher changes to the proposals. It just will not work.

Members voted in the industrial action ballot to give the PEC the authority to protect their pay , pensions , job security and issues from the impact on privatisation and thats exactly what our negotiators are trying to do. You did not vote yes to simply go out on strike cause it feels good and you can let off steam. If the CWU needs to sanction a strike tomorrow then it will be because we cannot get the best agreement possible.

If the CWU was going to sell you out , then they would have accepted the first pay rise, the pension changes with out any safeguards , without the improvement in the DC scheme , accepted the 3 year legal guarantee and not held out for a delivery agreement.

When you speak to your DOM or shift manager do they automatically do what you want ?? Of course not and negotiations at the level the CWU are involved are challenging with both parties trying to get the other to accept their agenda. Its complex because there is no other union who has sought the legal protections we have from privatisation and that includes Bob Crow and the RMT.

Now lets get things in perspective this is not the CWU wanting to stop absorption in its entirety as others have quite rightly pointed out that Royal Mail see this a cash cow and is a major part of their business strategy and is in line with their policy of paying for all the hours paid. The difficulties in these talks are that Royal Mail want to go a lot further then they do currently with more flexibility , continuous improvement and more efficiency.

Now Wandle you make out that if we dont win this dispute before christmas we have lost it. What is that based on ? More people order things on the internet on christmas day and boxing day then anyother day of the year. Revenue from parcels is lost whenever their is a strike.

If the issue is important enough and is explained right then they will support any strike.

[wandle]

Now Wandle you make out that if we dont win this dispute before christmas we have lost it. What is that based on ? More people order things on the internet on christmas day and boxing day then anyother day of the year. Revenue from parcels is lost whenever their is a strike.

If the issue is important enough and is explained right then they will support any strike.

I did not directly say that. But the weapon of going on strike loses it's potency, if you don't use it at the right time. Creating a series of one-day, rolling strikes, in the run-up to Christmas is clearly the huge advantage we still have open to us. But that window is closing fast. And the pressures, financially (and from wives/partners) to not strike, increase slightly too. If we allow ourselves to be stalled once again, especially to a point beyond Christmas, people will call the competency of the CWU into question. Even more so than after the 2010 debacle. And support will drop away. A strike that is not well supported would be terminal for the union.

Why do you think Leighton had an 18-month pay deal, that manouevered the pay settlement date from it's traditional October time, to April of each year ?
Threatening to strike, if pay negotiations stall, in May/June is of little threat to the business. But the impact of a strike in November/December is enormous.

IT IS TIME TO CALL RM's BLUFF. DEAL OR NO DEAL ?

[Lincox]

Dingo, can you elaborate on the reasons why Royal Mail do not want an extension because of the pressure they are under. Where is that pressure coming from, as I would have thought that the biggest pressure would have been if we actually do strike.

[Martin Walsh]

It was the CWUs annual conference who argued to change the pay date from October until April due to the traditional factor that inflation is higher in April then it is in April.

You only have a day to wait.

[Martin Walsh]

Lincox its is the pressure from parcels and other companies who want a deadline to know if there is or not going to be a strike. Clearly the parcels providers have a deadline to use other companies.

[hertsman0]

Lets all hope that they get a good deal without the need for any strike action .That wont do us or the company any good now or in the future .