EVR criteria

[toooldskool]

What is the policy on selecting EVR volunteers? Is it age, length of service or other?

[db]

What is the policy on selecting EVR volunteers? Is it age, length of service or other?

As with pretty much everything, length of service

[pinstripe]

What if your duty is being removed from the office and there are no vacancies in your own office or any offices nearby?

And why is it called 'voluntary' when it's a choice of EVR or nothing?

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

What if your duty is being removed from the office and there are no vacancies in your own office or any offices nearby?

And why is it called 'voluntary' when it's a choice of EVR or nothing?

there is no compulsory redundances, they cannot force you to go, its never EVR or nothing

[north london driver]

What if your duty is being removed from the office and there are no vacancies in your own office or any offices nearby?

And why is it called 'voluntary' when it's a choice of EVR or nothing?

there is no compulsory redundances, they cannot force you to go, its never EVR or nothing

it is on senority in your office,you normally get a queue for it.
if staff have been in the job a long time or over 50 they are on the way out
it is a matter of time before they go. if its not by medical reasons its depression.

[pinstripe]

What if your duty is being removed from the office and there are no vacancies in your own office or any offices nearby?

And why is it called 'voluntary' when it's a choice of EVR or nothing?

there is no compulsory redundances, they cannot force you to go, its never EVR or nothing

Our office lost a contract and the 2 blokes who used to do those duties on nights are facing EVR. From what I can gather, the EVR was only offered to them and it was the only thing that RM wanted to give them. There has been little attempt to find alternative duties and they are surplus. It doesn't look good for when we lose the CSS machines in the near future as that is another 5 duties that will also be surplus.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

What if your duty is being removed from the office and there are no vacancies in your own office or any offices nearby?

And why is it called 'voluntary' when it's a choice of EVR or nothing?

there is no compulsory redundances, they cannot force you to go, its never EVR or nothing

Our office lost a contract and the 2 blokes who used to do those duties on nights are facing EVR. From what I can gather, the EVR was only offered to them and it was the only thing that RM wanted to give them. There has been little attempt to find alternative duties and they are surplus. It doesn't look good for when we lose the CSS machines in the near future as that is another 5 duties that will also be surplus.

It may not look good, but they definitely will not be made to take an EVR you dom might want them to but he can not force them too under any circumstances at them moment

[bogstandard]

EVR or Vr's for that matter are offered to the office as a whole and the most senior applicant(s) who accepts the package gets it.
If there are no takers at the affected office the offer is then made to a nearby Office(S)
If there are still no takers the net is cast further.
It is highly unlikely, in my area at least, that there wouldn't be a queue for it.

[5plusbonusball]

Here we have been told it goes on the cheapest payout, i.e if one guy is expecting £30k because he's been there 30 years, and another guy is worth £15k after 10 years then they will get rid of the £15k guy!

[north london driver]

Here we have been told it goes on the cheapest payout, i.e if one guy is expecting £30k because he's been there 30 years, and another guy is worth £15k after 10 years then they will get rid of the £15k guy!

who told your office it goes to the cheapest payout ?

[5plusbonusball]

our dom ! all been offered it so all waiting for our figures but he said they will decide who goes

[north london driver]

our dom ! all been offered it so all waiting for our figures but he said they will decide who goes

well your dom should find out how evr is decided or he could well be back as a postman after xmas.
get in touch with your area rep and explain what your office has been told.

[UnhappyGremlin]

Here we have been told it goes on the cheapest payout, i.e if one guy is expecting £30k because he's been there 30 years, and another guy is worth £15k after 10 years then they will get rid of the £15k guy!

It doesn't work that way, as others have stated.

But, in a year or two? I'd expect this to become the norm.
Get rid of the younger posties with less years of service, on the cheap.
Whilst waiting for longer service posties to retire.

Then replace them all with PT staff.
And beyond that, even worse, as the union will be weakened by these actions.

[barrowc]

Our office lost a contract and the 2 blokes who used to do those duties on nights are facing EVR. From what I can gather, the EVR was only offered to them and it was the only thing that RM wanted to give them. There has been little attempt to find alternative duties and they are surplus. It doesn't look good for when we lose the CSS machines in the near future as that is another 5 duties that will also be surplus.

If that was the DWP mail opening contract then I think there was an LTB about the arrangements for dealing with staff affected by the loss of that contract

edit: LTBs are http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 15&t=54144 and http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 15&t=54334

[Budfrog]

I believe the correct procedure for OPG VRs is still seniority within the unit. However in the past there have been issues with regard to how RM views 'the unit' which they have sometimes appeared to manipulate to save cost or encourage surplus staff to leave.

The DOM sounds as if he is getting his wires crossed with the managerial VR procedure which is usually offered based on cost although there is the little caveat of RM being allowed to retain staff with essential skills. To further encourage managers who are surplus but reluctant to take VR the business often cites the possibility of redundancy on Govt terms should enhanced VR not be accepted. How they haven't been convicted in a criminal court of out and out blackmail still baffles me.

Bottom line is make them stick to the rules which are available from your CWU rep but be prepared for some form of intimidation/coercion if the local management have their own agenda ... keep a record of everything and be prepared for raising a case of B&H (something which Moya will not admit in public is an issue within RM )