What do you expect as posties to get from any strike action

[Doglover]

I read with interest the posts on this forum about strike breakers, weasles and lord knows what else along with what should become of strike breakers. I believe strike action is every union and none union members right as long as they feel they have grievences with their company and not just their own office. After draw down, loss of benefits and and leave in the NHS and Armed Forces and other big companies ''modernising'', I see both sides of the coin coming from the Armed Forces as a senior manager to being a postie. A lot less responsibility, fair pay and leave for an unskilled position with little or no training or responsibility.
The job itself after two years is fine, busy days mixed with light days, heavy days of flats and packets and the beloved D2D to deal with. The one day strike will make little or no impact on my office, all the business mail, packets and any Specials will be delivered without any disruption at all. The posties will come in on the 5th and have a heavy day and that will be it until the next CWU installment. So what do you think the CWU/Royal Mail negotiations will bring too you in the future. Better pay conditions, more annual leave, job security ? Protected pension with low personal contributions with a guaranteed return ? I personally do not see a way ahead, but for the long term postal workers, I do hope you get what you think you deserve through this industrial action.

[dvbuk55]

I read with interest the posts on this forum about strike breakers, weasles and lord knows what else along with what should become of strike breakers. I believe strike action is every union and none union members right as long as they feel they have grievences with their company and not just their own office. After draw down, loss of benefits and and leave in the NHS and Armed Forces and other big companies ''modernising'', I see both sides of the coin coming from the Armed Forces as a senior manager to being a postie. A lot less responsibility, fair pay and leave for an unskilled position with little or no training or responsibility.
The job itself after two years is fine, busy days mixed with light days, heavy days of flats and packets and the beloved D2D to deal with. The one day strike will make little or no impact on my office, all the business mail, packets and any Specials will be delivered without any disruption at all. The posties will come in on the 5th and have a heavy day and that will be it until the next CWU installment. So what do you think the CWU/Royal Mail negotiations will bring too you in the future. Better pay conditions, more annual leave, job security ? Protected pension with low personal contributions with a guaranteed return ? I personally do not see a way ahead, but for the long term postal workers, I do hope you get what you think you deserve through this industrial action.

You talk like a bystander rather than someone who is or should be involved in this dispute. Many of us are ex-forces, who led a quite different life to being a postman but after years of employment with RM your views change and your expectations tailored to suit the new circumstances.

[dougfunny892]

A long term guarantee of my pay and conditions, nothing more.Not too much is it? Ps I hate dogs.

[Doglover]

A long term guarantee of my pay and conditions, nothing more.Not too much is it? Ps I hate dogs.

If we do get this, Royal Mail will be a unique organisation within the UK.

[dvbuk55]

A long term guarantee of my pay and conditions, nothing more.Not too much is it? Ps I hate dogs.

If we do get this, Royal Mail will be a unique organisation within the UK.

Yes, we aren't all convinced that we are going to get a guarantee of future proof terms and conditions. Nobody can claim their employment terms and conditions are secure. Much of this dispute is down to the way the workforce has been handled over the last few years; a sort of backlash of frustration over a failure to deal with problems created by management and not having the voice of the workforce heard.

[dougfunny892]

But its a good time to push for a reasonable deal. They don't want a strike, we don't want to strike,so lets negotiate. Its not like its a company on its arse so they are going to have to concede some ground and so are we.

[redneck]

A long term guarantee. And why the hell not? 150 years of history and public service has been turned on its head by the establishment, we deserve a ground breaking deal that will provide some security for the future. As soon as it runs out it will be a bare fisted free for all in a race to the bottom, that's how it works. While of course small numbers of fellow human beings become very rich indeed.

[Lincox]

If there is no agreement over the next two weeks, and by god lets hope there is, then I believe the CWU will aim to build up the accumulation of mail held at the Mail Centres by increasing the strikes with a view to strangling the life out of the business in the run up to Christmas. The Executive know full well that they let a massive advantage go in the 2009 strike and
their existence will be judged on their performance in this last do or die effort.

[martin the green]

dog love
have you had your revision in your office yet ?
have you been told its not right ?
have your managers then ignored their own findings ?
have you been bullied and harassed ?
have you had to put up with this for over 12months ?
have you had your pension rights destroyed ?
need I go on
or do you have a nice forces pension to fall back on ?
more importantly to me jobs for future generations

[Doglover]

dog love
have you had your revision in your office yet ?
have you been told its not right ?
have your managers then ignored their own findings ?
have you been bullied and harassed ?
have you had to put up with this for over 12months ?
have you had your pension rights destroyed ?
need I go on
or do you have a nice forces pension to fall back on ?
more importantly to me jobs for future generations

Full revision in October 2012
We all know the Revision needs ''revising'' - every office is exactly the same.
Managers know the problems but do not have the resources to correct the majority of them.
Never been bullied or harassed, regular use of the ''no '' word seems to help.
I have a really good Forces pension thanyou. Spent 30 years serving you and Her Majesty and contributed to it from day one, it was not 'free'' and while you where in your bed, I and thousands like me where away from their families in Theatres of Oprerations without union cover !!!!!!!
No job has any real ''security'', no matter where you work. Royal Mail Managers can get rid of us at the drop of a hat if they want us off the books.

[wiganpostie]

I read with interest the posts on this forum about strike breakers, weasles and lord knows what else along with what should become of strike breakers. I believe strike action is every union and none union members right as long as they feel they have grievences with their company and not just their own office. After draw down, loss of benefits and and leave in the NHS and Armed Forces and other big companies ''modernising'', I see both sides of the coin coming from the Armed Forces as a senior manager to being a postie. A lot less responsibility, fair pay and leave for an unskilled position with little or no training or responsibility.
The job itself after two years is fine, busy days mixed with light days, heavy days of flats and packets and the beloved D2D to deal with. The one day strike will make little or no impact on my office, all the business mail, packets and any Specials will be delivered without any disruption at all. The posties will come in on the 5th and have a heavy day and that will be it until the next CWU installment. So what do you think the CWU/Royal Mail negotiations will bring too you in the future. Better pay conditions, more annual leave, job security ? Protected pension with low personal contributions with a guaranteed return ? I personally do not see a way ahead, but for the long term postal workers, I do hope you get what you think you deserve through this industrial action.

I can see why you left the army - there's no fight left in you.

[Doglover]

I read with interest the posts on this forum about strike breakers, weasles and lord knows what else along with what should become of strike breakers. I believe strike action is every union and none union members right as long as they feel they have grievences with their company and not just their own office. After draw down, loss of benefits and and leave in the NHS and Armed Forces and other big companies ''modernising'', I see both sides of the coin coming from the Armed Forces as a senior manager to being a postie. A lot less responsibility, fair pay and leave for an unskilled position with little or no training or responsibility.
The job itself after two years is fine, busy days mixed with light days, heavy days of flats and packets and the beloved D2D to deal with. The one day strike will make little or no impact on my office, all the business mail, packets and any Specials will be delivered without any disruption at all. The posties will come in on the 5th and have a heavy day and that will be it until the next CWU installment. So what do you think the CWU/Royal Mail negotiations will bring too you in the future. Better pay conditions, more annual leave, job security ? Protected pension with low personal contributions with a guaranteed return ? I personally do not see a way ahead, but for the long term postal workers, I do hope you get what you think you deserve through this industrial action.

I can see why you left the army - there's no fight left in you.

Wrong service, incorrect conclusion

[Darren Bent]

We need protection so we can stay there longer and avoid trying to be forced out within 3 years to miss out our shares windfall and cut in terms and conditions but again we won't know what Royal Mail plans are in next few years as we are in end of a plan and it is new era.

[XCHpostie]

"A lot less responsibility, fair pay and leave for an unskilled position with little or no training or responsibility".

I would say that pretty much sums up life in the Armed Forces.

[Harry_Perkins]

dog love
have you had your revision in your office yet ?
have you been told its not right ?
have your managers then ignored their own findings ?
have you been bullied and harassed ?
have you had to put up with this for over 12months ?
have you had your pension rights destroyed ?
need I go on
or do you have a nice forces pension to fall back on ?
more importantly to me jobs for future generations

Full revision in October 2012
We all know the Revision needs ''revising'' - every office is exactly the same.
Managers know the problems but do not have the resources to correct the majority of them.
Never been bullied or harassed, regular use of the ''no '' word seems to help.
I have a really good Forces pension thanyou. Spent 30 years serving you and Her Majesty and contributed to it from day one, it was not 'free'' and while you where in your bed, I and thousands like me where away from their families in Theatres of Oprerations without union cover !!!!!!!
No job has any real ''security'', no matter where you work. Royal Mail Managers can get rid of us at the drop of a hat if they want us off the books.

This 'beggar thy neighbour' argument doesn't convince, doglover. I used to work in the gaming industry. It was, and does, remain un-unionised. The pay was just above minimum wage when I was a deputy manager for a shop that had a turnover of £1m+ per year. And this being a bookmakers, you can well imagine the profit margins we're talking about here. They were not short and yet paid poverty wages. You could be sacked at the drop of a hat. I tried as best possible to organise people into the unions that were trying to organise gaming workers (at the time Community, now more so UNITE). I did not begrudge better organised and (recognised) unionised workers their better pay and conditions. How would it help me for them to end up worse off? Not a jot. Quite the opposite. The more the labour movement is weakened, the easier it is to cut the wages of all workers, the easier it is politically to make the case for ending the minimum wage, the easier politically it is to cut health and safety laws. It is a race to the bottom. Just look at what has happened to us over the last 30 years. Loads of industrial disputes over that time and people have said the same thing as you. 'I'm alright Jack'. Well, you might be but what about your children? No jobs, soaring prices and rents. Zero chance of being able to buy a home. And it is simply not true that you can be sacked at the drop of a hat at Royal Mail. If you're a strong office, with a good rep, then this shouldn't happen.