pouches-types/duty

[spiderj]

Anyone know if there's a document detailing bag/pouch types by category of walk
Is
Trolley-the one with loops
Walking-what type to use

Basically wondering if we should have different types for different duty styles
Cheers

[Brain Fury]

Anyone know if there's a document detailing bag/pouch types by category of walk
Is
Trolley-the one with loops
Walking-what type to use

Basically wondering if we should have different types for different duty styles
Cheers

It's the same pouch. The standard delivery pouch has loops to attach it to the LWT and is also used for "on the shoulder" delivery. There is a smaller pouch which carries up to 8kg and is sometimes used in association with HCTs or if it's not possible to get access with a LWT.

[hans solo]

pish the 8kg pouch is for p&l
when bag over shoulder it should be max of 8 kg
the larger pouches can take 16kg as per 2 on lwt weight limit max 32kg
any walking duties with bag over shoulder should be 8kg
even less on hilly or steep terrain

[Brain Fury]

The "larger" pouch is the same one that has been supplied for years and carried on the shoulder before p&l was ever thought of. It's just had 2 loops fitted to it so it can be fitted to LWTs without using the dreaded clamps. This is still being carried on the shoulder at offices that haven't deployed their revision.

After revision, carrying any mail "on the shoulder" should be the exception and the 8kg pouch might be used usually in conjunction with the LWT on p&l or with an HCT where there are tower blocks etc which require the HCT to be left and mail carried for delivery. The smaller pouch is more commonly used in some areas than others

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The "larger" pouch is the same one that has been supplied for years and carried on the shoulder before p&l was ever thought of. It's just had 2 loops fitted to it so it can be fitted to LWTs without using the dreaded clamps. This is still being carried on the shoulder at offices that haven't deployed their revision.

We still use the 16kg ones for that reason.

[jack]

The "larger" pouch is the same one that has been supplied for years and carried on the shoulder before p&l was ever thought of. It's just had 2 loops fitted to it so it can be fitted to LWTs without using the dreaded clamps. This is still being carried on the shoulder at offices that haven't deployed their revision.

We still use the 16kg ones for that reason.

I was under the impression that 16kg on the shoulder was to be abolished post revisions, many post revision offices round are way still use the old bag on the shoulder method.. makes little sense when the modernisation angle is often talked about. The only thing that's changed is shared vans. Just proves really that the job cannot be done as it was originally set out to

[TrueBlueTerrier]

We are pre-revision.


We've even had Price Waterhouse in and apparently they say "No way will it work in this office"

So we may be moving at some point.

[fishtank]

The "larger" pouch is the same one that has been supplied for years and carried on the shoulder before p&l was ever thought of. It's just had 2 loops fitted to it so it can be fitted to LWTs without using the dreaded clamps.

When I attended the delivery simulator "training" they had shiny new bags for the trolleys that didn't have any shoulder straps.
According to the guys running the show these would be rolled out nationally along with the 8kg bags once the delivery revisions were completed and all 16kg bags with shoulder straps would be "repatriated".
I wouldn't bet on it happening though,too many revisions are still relying on weight on the shoulder to give the impression of success.You can however see the reasoning behind it,If managers are still actively condoning the use of 16kg bags and someone has an accident/injury it's going to get messy for all concerned.

[jack]

The "larger" pouch is the same one that has been supplied for years and carried on the shoulder before p&l was ever thought of. It's just had 2 loops fitted to it so it can be fitted to LWTs without using the dreaded clamps.

When I attended the delivery simulator "training" they had shiny new bags for the trolleys that didn't have any shoulder straps.
According to the guys running the show these would be rolled out nationally along with the 8kg bags once the delivery revisions were completed and all 16kg bags with shoulder straps would be "repatriated".
I wouldn't bet on it happening though,too many revisions are still relying on weight on the shoulder to give the impression of success.You can however see the reasoning behind it,If managers are still actively condoning the use of 16kg bags and someone has an accident/injury it's going to get messy for all concerned.

Managers don't seem to care so long as the office is clear all is good in their eyes...until like you say someone has an accident/injury.

[Brain Fury]

The "larger" pouch is the same one that has been supplied for years and carried on the shoulder before p&l was ever thought of. It's just had 2 loops fitted to it so it can be fitted to LWTs without using the dreaded clamps.

When I attended the delivery simulator "training" they had shiny new bags for the trolleys that didn't have any shoulder straps.
According to the guys running the show these would be rolled out nationally along with the 8kg bags once the delivery revisions were completed and all 16kg bags with shoulder straps would be "repatriated".
I wouldn't bet on it happening though,too many revisions are still relying on weight on the shoulder to give the impression of success.You can however see the reasoning behind it,If managers are still actively condoning the use of 16kg bags and someone has an accident/injury it's going to get messy for all concerned.

Interesting but wrong. The pouches with the loops to fit them to LWTs are all made with shoulder straps so I don't know how they came to be missing on the ones at the delivery simulator training. Perhaps they just detached them. There are no plans to replace the existing pouches - new pouches are already being supplied to support revisions and it would be a waste of money to supply them and then replace them. The 8kg pouch is already available nationally if required. As I said some areas use them, some don't. One of the arguments against supplying a pouch without a shoulder strap is that people will only fit their own "straps" and these might be unsafe.

[fishtank]

I don't know how they came to be missing on the ones at the delivery simulator training. Perhaps they just detached them.

No that was my first thought but I had a good look and they had definitely been designed and fabricated without a strap.
Whether they were simply for training purposes I have no idea and as for the rest I'm only repeating what he told me but I suppose in the end...why believe a manager? or in this case ex-manager,now training facilitator or some other silly title for a non job.

[fishtank]

One of the arguments against supplying a pouch without a shoulder strap is that people will only fit their own "straps" and these might be unsafe.

I can's see the argument there.
It's a childish position,you don't run business policy around what some idiot might do.
Members might well do it but it would be a clear case of deliberate disregard of health and safety.
You might as well ban HCTs because members might sit on them and ride them down the hills.

[FinishOnTime]

Taking the shoulder straps away is the only way you'll get a widespread use of the correct delivery methods. Will be good if it happens, everyone will know exactly where they stand, and what is expected of them. And managers will no longer be able to tell you to use the LWT in WTLL, and then (nudge nudge wink wink) be expecting you to put a bag on your shoulder to finish a round.