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matthew68 · Post by **matthew68** » 27 Jul 2013, 16:09

i have been ft for 9 yrs and under revision went floating yet other fts who have less service than me had own walk when i questioned this dom says thats just the way it is! also when these guys work there day off i have to change again to cover another walk!! i asked dom to train up staff so they can cover at least 5 walks he says we do not have time! so when staff work day off they are still doing same walk does anybody else have this problem and do they think this is fair! we had vote on a resign and majority said no because they are happy with walks! surprise surprise! union does not care either he says we might have resign some day can anyone advise what to do to come off floating or is it a case of if your face fits!?

post_bitch · Post by **post_bitch** » 27 Jul 2013, 16:26

They dont like you and
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fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 27 Jul 2013, 16:37

matthew68 wrote:when i questioned this dom says thats just the way it is!

Ask the Dom to put "the way it is!" in writing citing which agreements it follows.

we had vote on a resign and majority said no because they are happy with walks

Ask the rep to put in writing which part of the agreed resign process(Way Forward) mentions an office having a vote to decide whether or not to have a resign.

Contact your branch/area rep.

matthew68 · Post by **matthew68** » 27 Jul 2013, 16:39

fishtank wrote:
matthew68 wrote:when i questioned this dom says thats just the way it is!

Ask the Dom to put "the way it is!" in writing citing which agreements it follows.

we had vote on a resign and majority said no because they are happy with walks
Ask the rep to put in writing which part of the agreed resign process(Way Forward) mentions an office having a vote to decide whether or not to have a resign.

Contact your branch/area rep.

many thanks will do!

matthew68 · Post by **matthew68** » 27 Jul 2013, 16:40

post_bitch wrote:They dont like you and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnwU2iMRUqA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yep i think you are right!

spoodoo · Post by **spoodoo** » 27 Jul 2013, 17:28

Yeah there are guys with 9 years service in our place who are now reserves! Guys in door a few month have there own duties ,,it seems the full timers have been shafted in our revision,, . I had to wait years to get my own duty .

post_bitch · Post by **post_bitch** » 27 Jul 2013, 17:33

spoodoo wrote:Yeah there are guys with 9 years service in our place who are now reserves! Guys in door a few month have there own duties ,,it seems the full timers have been shafted in our revision,, . I had to wait years to get my own duty .

IF management have made things unbearable for you at work with changes and have not followed procedure this may be classes as constructive dismissal you will need a a greivience and then resign.

matthew68 · Post by **matthew68** » 27 Jul 2013, 19:04

spoodoo wrote:Yeah there are guys with 9 years service in our place who are now reserves! Guys in door a few month have there own duties ,,it seems the full timers have been shafted in our revision,, . I had to wait years to get my own duty .

yea i get a feeling management is trying to p**s people off in the hope that they will leave get rid off ft and employ pt thats all they keep doing at our place. they are so uncaring its untrue i actually quite like the job but management are a farce maybe just maybe privatisation might mean we get rid of useless managers who could not run a p**s up, i know we are all concerned about our future but the way they treat people is disgusting i asked if we could start at 6 in the summer instead of 7 they just said no end of story yet everyone i speak to wants to start earlier, all the mail is in the office so i asked why we can not come in and sort earlier dom says you can come in unpaid if you want! just about sums them up xtra lapsing and no ot for 3 months! not good!

spoodoo · Post by **spoodoo** » 28 Jul 2013, 13:57

Is there no agreement to how much percentage of full time jobs to ptime there should be in a revision ?..

chrisj · Post by **chrisj** » 28 Jul 2013, 19:22

Seeing that most offices are different structurally and operationally, I suppose the phrase 'what works best for the office will be the guiding principle'.

To be honest, I do not understand why some people talk about percentages when it is hard to find 2 offices that are similar in terms of ft/pt ratio; also there are other contracts within the mix and pt contracts varies...

I thought most offices have adopted a ft/pt combo for paired walks?

Are there offices still out there where 2 FTs are working together in a P&L as walkholders (Reserve situation excepting)?

mandelsons_toenail · Post by **mandelsons_toenail** » 28 Jul 2013, 19:35

We are ft ft and pt pt

chrisj · Post by **chrisj** » 28 Jul 2013, 20:54

mandelsons_toenail wrote:We are ft ft and pt pt

Surely that cannot be throughout the office. To have FT/FT post general revision and P&L seems unusual. I bet your FT staff should be happier than most.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 28 Jul 2013, 21:11

chrisj wrote: I bet your FT staff should be happier than most.

Why?
The FT will still be prepping the PT duties,just not their partner's duty.
The type of pairing makes absolutely no difference as long as the indoor work is fully resourced.
Once you get to the outdoor it doesn't matter if it's FT/FT or PT/PT or FT/PT.

chrisj · Post by **chrisj** » 28 Jul 2013, 21:38

If only all FT staff actually double prep up to the level required or if they actually spend all the specified time (whatever that is) on IPS???

If Only?

I know it has to do with management but some FT folks get away with it. Many I know and have seen sneak off to prep their own walks. And on quieter days, the are ready to go even before some Pters arrive. 30/32 hours PT prep their own walk and d2ds, by the time some arrive on tuesday, the FT staff are bagging up...

hampshireman · Post by **hampshireman** » 30 Jul 2013, 16:54

matthew68 wrote:
spoodoo wrote:Yeah there are guys with 9 years service in our place who are now reserves! Guys in door a few month have there own duties ,,it seems the full timers have been shafted in our revision,, . I had to wait years to get my own duty .
yea i get a feeling management is trying to p**s people off in the hope that they will leave get rid off ft and employ pt thats all they keep doing at our place. they are so uncaring its untrue i actually quite like the job but management are a farce maybe just maybe privatisation might mean we get rid of useless managers who could not run a p**s up, i know we are all concerned about our future but the way they treat people is disgusting i asked if we could start at 6 in the summer instead of 7 they just said no end of story yet everyone i speak to wants to start earlier, all the mail is in the office so i asked why we can not come in and sort earlier dom says you can come in unpaid if you want! just about sums them up xtra lapsing and no ot for 3 months! not good!

Matthew; think i understand what you are saying. But it is difficult to read

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