Rejected pay offer

[indio]

As we all know the CWU has rejected RM's pay offer.

Are we expecting a long drawn out battle over this or will a bit of word massaging whatever sort it out soonish?

[CLINTEASTWOOD1]

As we all know the CWU has rejected RM's pay offer.

Are we expecting a long drawn out battle over this or will a bit of word massaging whatever sort it out soonish?

my adivce would be to start saving some money ready the the strike.

[fishtank]

The clues are in the CWU reasons for rejection...

The pay element in isolation does not meet with the terms of CWU policy for an above-inflation, no strings attached pay rise and we will be seeking a higher, more straightforward settlement.
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Remove the review in years 2 and 3 and bung a bit more up front,possibly decouple it entirely from an agreement on future strategy.

Neither does the pay element address our claim for significantly improved overtime rates and new bonus arrangements.
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Self explanatory but I think this could be fudged or dropped if necessary.

The linkage to the previously rejected pension proposals is unacceptable.
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Deal breaker.
No way will the union be seen to endorse detrimental changes to the pension after the farce of 2008.
Would start a riot of not decoupled from any deal.

The protection of some terms and conditions are neither extensive enough, explicit enough nor adequate in their longevity. Neither are they legally enforceable and would not offer CWU members any protection in the event of a change in ownership.
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Looking to protect MTSF in it's entirety for as long as possible,don't see us getting much more than maybe 3-5 years out of it.
Legally enforceable is a tough ask and i'm not even sure if it's possible.

An agenda for growth and stability is something CWU has wanted and will support if the conditions are right. However, this offer lacks clarity over the future and is not a substitute for a proper agreement over the company's future parcels strategy.
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I think this might be put on the back burner as it's likely to be a long drawn out affair and i'm not even sure if RM know what their agenda for the future is yet.

These are only my opinions/guesses.

[Cichlid]

As we all know the CWU has rejected RM's pay offer.

Are we expecting a long drawn out battle over this or will a bit of word massaging whatever sort it out soonish?

Fishtank has spelled it out.

It's not just about the money.

[indio]

my adivce would be to start saving some money ready the the strike.

Hmmmmm the 'S' word and I don't mean saving!

In light of the last 2/3 strikes outcomes do you think that the CWU have the bottle to call another?

[Pat Ostman]

they might not have any choice

[UnhappyGremlin]

If RM refuse to budge, though I think they will - maybe only in part however, then strike is inevitable.

It isn't really a question of CWU having the bottle to call it, they'll have to. The issue will be persuading members that if they strike, the union will achieve what they set out to do. It is also the only recourse we, as members will have, to attempt to improve our pay/T&C's/working conditions and try to prevent RM raping our pensions AGAIN, and trying to stave off privatisation.
If members are not willing to fight, then prepare to be royally screwed over, and not for the last time by some considerable margin.
A willingness to strike, or actually striking, will also send a message to any prospective new owners. Predominantly that we will stand up for ourselves and fight for our working lives.

[bexhil palace]

Can we do it while the weathers good?
I froze my nuts off last time

[fishtank]

Can we do it while the weathers good?
I froze my nuts off last time

We started in June 2009.
Got eaten alive by midges all summer.
Barbeques were nice though.

[Pat Ostman]

If RM refuse to budge, though I think they will - maybe only in part however, then strike is inevitable.

It isn't really a question of CWU having the bottle to call it, they'll have to. The issue will be persuading members that if they strike, the union will achieve what they set out to do. It is also the only recourse we, as members will have, to attempt to improve our pay/T&C's/working conditions and try to prevent RM raping our pensions AGAIN, and trying to stave off privatisation.
If members are not willing to fight, then prepare to be royally screwed over, and not for the last time by some considerable margin.
A willingness to strike, or actually striking, will also send a message to any prospective new owners. Predominantly that we will stand up for ourselves and fight for our working lives.

Brilliant

[tigercat]

Instead of a strike would other action such as refusing to do overtime do any good for us. Go to work and just doing your contracted hours. My office would be in the sh*t within the week and it would take weeks to clear the backlog.

[comeracing]

why the hell do we have to strike EVERY delivery person should start on there time ,AND finish to there time,NOBODY SHOULD WORK ANY OVERTIME,I HAVE A FEELING THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF MAIL LEFT BEHIND,this way staff are not loseing on pay,AND THE GOOD OLD DOMS CAN GRAFT AND FINISH OUR DUTIES OFF,lets ALL stick together,THAT MEANS EVERYBODY IN YOUR OFFICE.

[Darren Bent]

No overtime will be best way. But what about those who are on 28 hours contract who used for 34 hours duty with hour overtime for this. There is lot of people on this.

[fishtank]

I HAVE A FEELING THERE WOULD BE PLENTY OF MAIL LEFT BEHIND....AND THE GOOD OLD DOMS CAN GRAFT AND FINISH OUR DUTIES OF.

Even if you could get everyone to follow that line which is doubtful and even if you could monitor and police it which is even more doubtful and even if you could ignore the fact that you would be screwing over the part-time staff...

They'll just bring casuals in to do it,or leave it in the frame for you to do the next day.
Park and loop and sequenced mail has changed the game.
Overtime bans were of limited use in the past,now they are completely useless.

[bogstandard]

No overtime will be best way. But what about those who are on 28 hours contract who used for 34 hours duty with hour overtime for this. There is lot of people on this.

so do you make concessions for p/t'ers?
how is this managed?
how do you stop people doing o/t/
How would that be managed?
As for doing the job properly, i'm sure i am not the only one on here who works with people who see doing the job properly as someone else's job, someone else's problem. These ones are happy to ride in on our coattails and claim all the plaudits but not put in the legwork.

Strike action is, as far as i am concerned, the absolute last resort when all other avenues have failed.
My job as a local rep is to keep people in work earning as much money as possible. Asking members to take action and forfeit money is no easy task let me tell you.

I fully support your wishes for alternative methods as these are mine too, however we all need to be proactive in these ideas. I appreciate that you would continue to do your job properly and stop doing docket, but what about the person next to you, or behind you, or on the other side of the office. It is my experience that this is where we let ourselves down. As soon as one says its ok you lot are doing it for me another follows and another and another. Who is responsible for for maintaining compliance, that's right the union. No we all are but how many accept this responsibility, few if any.