Early Voluntary Redundancey

[dallen67]

A recent RMTV video mentioned enhanced EVR terms. Does anyone know if EVR is subject to Royal Mail being privatised or could it be offered even if privitisation does not happen? I'm in the job just over 27 years now and like so many in the have had a enough between one thing and another, and just want out to have a life again. As a matter of interest is EVR offered or do you have to apply for it?

[Patrick301]

if you dont apply for it you dont get it or if not everyone would have it and nobody would be left at royal mail
anyway
there will be no EVR after privatisation
apart from CR
Compulsary Redundancy

[maisymoo04]

On the evr subject folks . Got told sat every evr in the company it takes 4 years to get that money back ?.......

[Darren Bent]

How do this happens. Just wondering would someone with nearly 9 years working full time get it as we have lot of new part timers staff recently and there is van sharing thing coming eventually in next couple of months.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

A recent RMTV video mentioned enhanced EVR terms. Does anyone know if EVR is subject to Royal Mail being privatised or could it be offered even if privitisation does not happen? I'm in the job just over 27 years now and like so many in the have had a enough between one thing and another, and just want out to have a life again. As a matter of interest is EVR offered or do you have to apply for it?

EVR has nothing at all to do with Privatisation. Its usually an option you apply for because of a Revision.

After privatisation there is no doubt new owners/management may try to change the current terms but they will have to discuss that with the Union, or if they change it by force then they should expect Industrial Action. If the Union and RM do come to an agreement about the EVR then I believe we get a vote on it.

No one will be offered EVR solely based on the company being privatised, though of course they may wish to reduce the headcount this will take some time to filter through to the work place.

On the evr subject folks . Got told sat every evr in the company it takes 4 years to get that money back ?.......

Not sure exactly what you mean by that but as part of the EVR payment is compensation for pay you would have received it makes sense. However even if it took 4 years for RM to recover the savings made by giving someone EVR, that make sense as if they kept them on in a non job or surplus to requirement then the extra payment for keeping them on would be for years on end would cost them a lot more.

How do this happens. Just wondering would someone with nearly 9 years working full time get it as we have lot of new part timers staff recently and there is van sharing thing coming eventually in next couple of months.

Usually as a result of a revision and a preference exercise. Normally under the MTSF rules its offered in Seniority Order, within certain limitations. The MTSF and its various amendments should be reviewed by anyone interested as you'll need to know all the implications and benefits. As to would a 9 year FT get it, mybe it would depend on how many surpluses there would be after a revision and how many apply for EVR.

if you dont apply for it you dont get it or if not everyone would have it and nobody would be left at royal mail
anyway
there will be no EVR after privatisation
apart from CR
Compulsary Redundancy

Eventually MAYBE, immediately after privatisation - No. As if forms part of our contract of employment (IIRC) its not something they can do without consultation.

[Budfrog]

The current regime (more accurate term than management) have used the following negotiating ploy (blackmail to you and I) when wishing people to leave which is "if you do not accept the enhanced EVR terms you 'may' be subject to compulsory redundancy on government terms (section A and B pension scheme members are currently afforded more protection in this process).

Now if I was a new owner and I wanted to shed staff in certain areas at minimum cost I know which one I would chose.

[wacko74]

Whilst we're on the subject of redundancy can anyone explain how it's calculated when you've gone from full-time to part-time... I've done 13 years full-time then last year went down to part-time (didn't get any form of buydown), would any potential EVR offer for me be based purely on my current part-time wage or would it take into account all the years I was full-time?

[OnAFlyer]

Why do people keep saying they want to leave RM to 'have a life'?

Virtually everyone I know works worse hours than I do and many of them get paid less money. I leave the house between 6.15 and 6.45, and the latest I lead the office to come home is 2.25.

Unless you're giving up work entirely or have qualifications in another field there isn't much out there better than RM.

[NWpostie]

Valid points Mate, I work as per my job spec, don't overly worried about running home early, I can still have a life in spite of work not because of work.

Managers past and present have tried to break me, they have come and they have gone and I'm still here I'm only here for a paycheck not trying to break Usain Bolt's record.


EVR will come round only if the new owner want to reduce numbers quickly otherwise they can use natural attrition to reduce staffing, at the end of the day we are just a manpower resource to them.

[barrowc]

Whilst we're on the subject of redundancy can anyone explain how it's calculated when you've gone from full-time to part-time... I've done 13 years full-time then last year went down to part-time (didn't get any form of buydown), would any potential EVR offer for me be based purely on my current part-time wage or would it take into account all the years I was full-time?

I think it's purely based on your hours at the time you take redundancy (unlike the pension scheme which builds up service pro-rata to your contracted hours). The "Buy Down (Hours) Policy" in the MTSF agreement says that the payment for buying down your hours is to compensate you for the loss of future redundancy rights. The MTSF agreement can be found at http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=33667

[cloherty1976]

What a lot of sense you talk nwpostie.i don't know why people just moan all the time as this is one of the easiest jobs you could have.just look at how long posties stay employed with Royal Mail..

[NWpostie]

Thanks for the compliment Cloherty.

Some of these people have been institutionalised and don't know anything outside of Royal Mail, there are some individuals that are unemployable outside of RM they wouldn't last 5 seconds in the real world, there is a way of making the job better for yourself and that is by doing it properly, if everybody did it from day one, there is absolutely nothing they can do about it, privatisation probably would never have been considered in the light of it, the "way backward" would never been raised, more staff would have been employed to take up the excess work.

Unfortunately there will still be those that will ruin the job, making it unbearable for others who would have done the job properly, many people have different ways of coping with stress, the managers knows their weakness and is exploiting it to the full, in many way I perceive RM workplace as a continuation of the school playground, with the usual cliques, bullies and those that just tries to get on.

As a young pup I used to fly around, use my car, ghosted OT, came in a bit earlier, one day when the rules changed, no more job and knock, that was the day I stopped and took a step back and really looked at the big picture, especially having seen some really good people sacked, that my attitude to the job changed, I realised I am just a number, I am expendable, there are worse jobs out there and lower pay, so my priority is to preserve my job and the paycheck that comes with it, I advise others not to play the mugs game unfortunately some of them won't listen.

[maisymoo04]

Nw you can't say that mate , sum roles within this company our umbearable (can't spell ha ) ok the minority on this site our postman and woman on delivery, then we have mail centre , collections staff . I haven't heard anyone in mail centres and collections moan about the job more then delivery staff because they get shafted all the time so it will put you on a downer and want to leave because when we talk it goes on deaf ears to the stupid sh@@ management

[Budfrog]

Nw you can't say that mate , sum roles within this company our umbearable (can't spell ha ) ok the minority on this site our postman and woman on delivery, then we have mail centre , collections staff . I haven't heard anyone in mail centres and collections moan about the job more then delivery staff because they get shafted all the time so it will put you on a downer and want to leave because when we talk it goes on deaf ears to the stupid sh@@ management

The problem has always been that workrate targets and general working conditions vary so much between functions. I would say that the delivery postman has the most difficult task and would come out above processing and collections if the jobs were evaluated objectively using a points based system. As with managerial grades there should be some differentials between OPG roles and this shouldn't just be left to allowances.

[OnAFlyer]

Nw you can't say that mate , sum roles within this company our umbearable (can't spell ha ) ok the minority on this site our postman and woman on delivery, then we have mail centre , collections staff . I haven't heard anyone in mail centres and collections moan about the job more then delivery staff because they get shafted all the time so it will put you on a downer and want to leave because when we talk it goes on deaf ears to the stupid sh@@ management

The problem has always been that workrate targets and general working conditions vary so much between functions. I would say that the delivery postman has the most difficult task and would come out above processing and collections if the jobs were evaluated objectively using a points based system. As with managerial grades there should be some differentials between OPG roles and this shouldn't just be left to allowances.

Delivery is only difficult in 2 situations. 1) You won't, or are unable to stand up for yourself and work over/come in early without claiming just to complete. And 2) You are incapable of doing the job to a decent standard and struggle every day, there are several of these in my office who literally wouldn't last a week with another employer.

For anyone who is reasonably competent, reasonably fit and has a backbone then delivery isn't difficult. NW posted what I left out, that too many within RM are institutionalised and haven't got a clue what is happening in the real world.

All they have for comparison is this job 10,20,30 years ago, when lets be honest it wasn't really work. We were paid for doing next to nothing.