Expelling a CWU member

fatphg · Post by **fatphg** » 02 Oct 2007, 19:13

Can the CWU expell a member who does not join the forthcoming strike. I ask because in my office we have 4 who say they will not join the strike. The one person who bugs me is someone who has had their job saved by the CWU on about 4 occasions and who has been helped by the CWU to make some compensation claims for accidents during work (minor).
I have tried to reason with this person, that they have had lots of help and support from the CWU and now the CWU would like some support from them, but they won't have it. They have used the union and i think they should be expelled, can this be done. If so what can i do to get them expelled.

WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE STRIKE 100%, THAT PAIR OF P****S NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE ONE

Post by **dvbuk55** » 02 Oct 2007, 19:20

fatphg wrote:Can the CWU expell a member who does not join the forthcoming strike. I ask because in my office we have 4 who say they will not join the strike. The one person who bugs me is someone who has had their job saved by the CWU on about 4 occasions and who has been helped by the CWU to make some compensation claims for accidents during work (minor).
I have tried to reason with this person, that they have had lots of help and support from the CWU and now the CWU would like some support from them, but they won't have it. They have used the union and i think they should be expelled, can this be done. If so what can i do to get them expelled.

WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE STRIKE 100%, THAT PAIR OF P****S NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE ONE

In a word - No!

jmlr1971 · Post by **jmlr1971** » 02 Oct 2007, 19:31

rule 14 ?? i say YES they can be punted

POSTMAN GATTUSO · Post by **POSTMAN GATTUSO** » 02 Oct 2007, 19:35

yer quite right jmlr punt the assholes oot

leelatic · Post by **leelatic** » 02 Oct 2007, 19:57

They've ignored a democratic vote in a time of dire emergency-if they wont support their fellow members why should they get any support? KICK 'EM OUT!!!!!

chayoliver · Post by **chayoliver** » 02 Oct 2007, 20:47

i hope so ive heard a rep at a certain office in the south with only 23 staff is going in can they be expelled ?

Macca · Post by **Macca** » 02 Oct 2007, 21:02

fatphg wrote:Can the CWU expell a member who does not join the forthcoming strike. I ask because in my office we have 4 who say they will not join the strike. The one person who bugs me is someone who has had their job saved by the CWU on about 4 occasions and who has been helped by the CWU to make some compensation claims for accidents during work (minor).
I have tried to reason with this person, that they have had lots of help and support from the CWU and now the CWU would like some support from them, but they won't have it. They have used the union and i think they should be expelled, can this be done. If so what can i do to get them expelled.

WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE STRIKE 100%, THAT PAIR OF P****S NEED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE ONE

Unfortunately the answer is no, the reason being it was outlawed by the conservatives in the 1980's (anti trade union laws etc), as it is seen to be against their democratic rights, you can only use rule 14 if a member has done something against the union or a fellow member (verbal abuse aimed at striking members for instance

), in which case the local branch can expel that member.

This link explains why not a little better.....

http://www.dti.gov.uk/employment/employ ... 16787.html

Section 2: When is discipline unjustifiable?
Not all union discipline is unjustifiable. What matters is the conduct for which the individual is disciplined.

The discipline will be unjustifiable only if the reason, or one of the reasons, for which it is imposed is conduct described in sections A to C below, or something that the union believes to be such conduct.

A - Strike or other industrial action
Discipline will be unjustifiable if it is for:

failing to take part in or support any strike or other industrial action;
showing opposition to, or lack of support for, any strike or other industrial action;
failing to break, for any purpose connected with a strike or other industrial action, any obligation imposed by a contract of employment or by any other agreement between the individual and the person for whom he works;
encouraging or assisting another person to honour his contract of employment or other agreement with his employer.
The most common examples of conduct for which individuals are protected against unjustifiable discipline are:

going to work despite a call to take strike or other industrial action (the individual is protected whether or not there has been a ballot and whatever its outcome);
crossing a picket line, including one mounted by the individual's own union at his own place of work;
speaking out against a call to take strike or other industrial action;
refusing to pay a levy to fund a strike or other industrial action, including one described as compulsory, or imposed under union rules.

Personally i think they should leave the union in the first instance if not, thrown out

:cfo :lfo

Post by **POSTMAN** » 02 Oct 2007, 21:23

1. Matters of a disciplinary nature arising from the Rrules or Regulations of the Union affecting an individual member or members of the UnionUnion members shall only be dealt with in accordance with the provisions of this Rule.

2. A member shall be liable to disciplinary action in respect of the following:

a) Acting in breach of the Rules of the Union;

(a)b) Behaving in a manner contrary to the interests of the Union;

c) Failing to carry out the lawful and reasonable instructions of a Branch, the National Executive Council, Annual or Special Conference;

d) Acting in breach of the Rules of the Union.

http://www.cwu.org/default.asp?Step=4&pid=31

Macca · Post by **Macca** » 02 Oct 2007, 22:25

Postman, i cant understand why you've posted rule 14, even with this rule, you cannot expel a union member if they dont adhere to the ballot result and not take strike action??

Post by **POSTMAN** » 02 Oct 2007, 22:32

Macca wrote:Postman, i cant understand why you've posted rule 14, even with this rule, you cannot expel a union member if they dont adhere to the ballot result and not take strike action??

Has been mentioned on here a few times and SE Lon branch are doing it,and i know it's come from HQ as well.
Also i would of thought the bits i quoted would be good enough.

Macca · Post by **Macca** » 02 Oct 2007, 22:40

POSTMAN wrote:
Macca wrote:Postman, i cant understand why you've posted rule 14, even with this rule, you cannot expel a union member if they dont adhere to the ballot result and not take strike action??
Has been mentioned on here a few times and SE Lon branch are doing it,and i know it's come from HQ as well.
Also i would of thought the bits i quoted would be good enough.

I appreciate what rule 14 says, and i for one believe no member should cross a picket if their leaders and membership have called for industrial action by a secret ballot, they had their democratic vote. I will look forward with interest if it can be done (

), but i believe the law of this land prohibits it, and that law supersedes our rules!

:cfo :lfo

krooserman1802 · Post by **krooserman1802** » 02 Oct 2007, 23:05

do it, start a rule 14 against all of them and offer them resignation forms....if that doesn't work...kill them...lol

frankie · Post by **frankie** » 04 Oct 2007, 13:53

fatphg · Post by **fatphg** » 04 Oct 2007, 14:11

thanks for the replies, very interseting about rule 14.

I am very pleased to be able to report that i had a good chat with some of the people who were going to break the strike, including my above mentioned individual, and i have been able to help them see sense and they are now with us

there are only a couple left who will be working and there is a reason but i will not go into it on air as it could identify them.
But i am very pleased with the result of my chat, and it was a chat, no pressure.

STAY STRONG BROTHERS, LETS GIVE THEM 100% SUPPORT

churchill · Post by **churchill** » 04 Oct 2007, 14:33

Good work fatphg the fingernail and pliers trick always gets em round to our way of thinking!

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