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matt166
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Resign Opt Out

Post by matt166 »

Does anybody know what the proper criteria is for opting out of a repick resign . I know a change in start times can trigger a repick/resign.
If my start time has changed but my duty struture remains the same , does my duty have to go into the resign or can I opt out.
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silly suffolk
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matt166 wrote:Does anybody know what the proper criteria is for opting out of a repick resign . I know a change in start times can trigger a repick/resign.
If my start time has changed but my duty struture remains the same , does my duty have to go into the resign or can I opt out.
if duty stays the same, and start time is less than 30 mins different, you don't have to go in resign. wayforward agreement.
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silly suffolk wrote:
matt166 wrote:Does anybody know what the proper criteria is for opting out of a repick resign . I know a change in start times can trigger a repick/resign.
If my start time has changed but my duty struture remains the same , does my duty have to go into the resign or can I opt out.
if duty stays the same, and start time is less than 30 mins different, you don't have to go in resign. wayforward agreement.
dont think the wayforward agreement states that, cant find any reference to a 30 minute clause anywhere in it
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matt166 wrote:Does anybody know what the proper criteria is for opting out of a repick resign . I know a change in start times can trigger a repick/resign.
If my start time has changed but my duty struture remains the same , does my duty have to go into the resign or can I opt out.
yes it does unfortunately and even if the start time stayed the same there would have to be absolutely no change whatsoever to your duty to stop it going into the resign ie all delivery points the same, delivery method same and indoor work exactly as it is now
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Re: Resign Opt Out

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zx135 wrote:
silly suffolk wrote:
matt166 wrote:Does anybody know what the proper criteria is for opting out of a repick resign . I know a change in start times can trigger a repick/resign.
If my start time has changed but my duty struture remains the same , does my duty have to go into the resign or can I opt out.
if duty stays the same, and start time is less than 30 mins different, you don't have to go in resign. wayforward agreement.
dont think the wayforward agreement states that, cant find any reference to a 30 minute clause anywhere in it
ive been through a few revisions/resigns, and if a duty stays the same you don't go in the resign, if you don't want, i take your point about the 30 mins, and in effect if a duty changes buy that time the details will probably alter. its late ,im half pissed and confused.
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silly suffolk wrote:
zx135 wrote:
silly suffolk wrote:
matt166 wrote:Does anybody know what the proper criteria is for opting out of a repick resign . I know a change in start times can trigger a repick/resign.
If my start time has changed but my duty struture remains the same , does my duty have to go into the resign or can I opt out.
if duty stays the same, and start time is less than 30 mins different, you don't have to go in resign. wayforward agreement.
dont think the wayforward agreement states that, cant find any reference to a 30 minute clause anywhere in it
ive been through a few revisions/resigns, and if a duty stays the same you don't go in the resign, if you don't want, i take your point about the 30 mins, and in effect if a duty changes buy that time the details will probably alter. its late ,im half pissed and confused.
get a grip you drunken pisser.
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silly suffolk wrote:ive been through a few revisions/resigns, and if a duty stays the same you don't go in the resign, if you don't want, i take your point about the 30 mins, and in effect if a duty changes buy that time the details will probably alter. its late ,im half pissed and confused.
You're not that pissed suffolk.

RESOURCING JOBS AS A RESULT OF MAJOR CHANGE INTRODUCTION
http://www.cwu-e4.co.uk/Resourcing_Jobs_Way_Forward.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CHANGE CRITERIA
The following criteria should be applied to determine which duties have been significantly changed and are proper to be included in the re-sign:

.the duty/work content has changed by at least 25% e.g. from Mech. to manual or vice versa

.the duty has changed from indoor work to outdoor work or vice versa (staff employed on loading bay/platform duties will be classed as outdoor)

.the shift or skill allowance applicable to a duty has changed, either up or down

.there has been a change in the duty holder's opportunity to sign for Scheduled Attendance, e.g. change in driving content to over four hours

.the attendance start or finish time has changed by 30 minutes or more. So that the duty holder's personal or domestic circumstances prevent them from attending at the new time or finishing at the new time-

.new duties should also be added to those identified as significantly changed, when considering whether there has been a third of the total duties affected.
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Resign Opt Out

Post by IcanthelpthewayIam »

fishtank wrote:
silly suffolk wrote:ive been through a few revisions/resigns, and if a duty stays the same you don't go in the resign, if you don't want, i take your point about the 30 mins, and in effect if a duty changes buy that time the details will probably alter. its late ,im half pissed and confused.
You're not that pissed suffolk.

RESOURCING JOBS AS A RESULT OF MAJOR CHANGE INTRODUCTION
http://www.cwu-e4.co.uk/Resourcing_Jobs_Way_Forward.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CHANGE CRITERIA
The following criteria should be applied to determine which duties have been significantly changed and are proper to be included in the re-sign:

.the duty/work content has changed by at least 25% e.g. from Mech. to manual or vice versa

.the duty has changed from indoor work to outdoor work or vice versa (staff employed on loading bay/platform duties will be classed as outdoor)

.the shift or skill allowance applicable to a duty has changed, either up or down

.there has been a change in the duty holder's opportunity to sign for Scheduled Attendance, e.g. change in driving content to over four hours

.the attendance start or finish time has changed by 30 minutes or more. So that the duty holder's personal or domestic circumstances prevent them from attending at the new time or finishing at the new time-

.new duties should also be added to those identified as significantly changed, when considering whether there has been a third of the total duties affected.
thats actually quite interesting, do you know this is not actually in the way forward agreement download thats available from this site? i wonder what else is missing from it
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Re: Resign Opt Out

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zx135 wrote:
fishtank wrote:
silly suffolk wrote:ive been through a few revisions/resigns, and if a duty stays the same you don't go in the resign, if you don't want, i take your point about the 30 mins, and in effect if a duty changes buy that time the details will probably alter. its late ,im half pissed and confused.
You're not that pissed suffolk.

RESOURCING JOBS AS A RESULT OF MAJOR CHANGE INTRODUCTION
http://www.cwu-e4.co.uk/Resourcing_Jobs_Way_Forward.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

CHANGE CRITERIA
The following criteria should be applied to determine which duties have been significantly changed and are proper to be included in the re-sign:

.the duty/work content has changed by at least 25% e.g. from Mech. to manual or vice versa

.the duty has changed from indoor work to outdoor work or vice versa (staff employed on loading bay/platform duties will be classed as outdoor)

.the shift or skill allowance applicable to a duty has changed, either up or down

.there has been a change in the duty holder's opportunity to sign for Scheduled Attendance, e.g. change in driving content to over four hours

.the attendance start or finish time has changed by 30 minutes or more. So that the duty holder's personal or domestic circumstances prevent them from attending at the new time or finishing at the new time-

.new duties should also be added to those identified as significantly changed, when considering whether there has been a third of the total duties affected.
thats actually quite interesting, do you know this is not actually in the way forward agreement download thats available from this site? i wonder what else is missing from it
ahh see the difference now, this is not the agreement, just guidelines on how to implement it
fishtank
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zx135 wrote:ahh see the difference now, this is not the agreement, just guidelines on how to implement it
It does actually form part of the agreement,it is a revision of sections 16 due to legal changes and problems flagged up which were not dissimilar to this one in that reps,managers and members were arguing over what constituted change either at duty level or office level.
This is not so much guidelines as a fix,a patch,a software update.
Section 16(V2)...if you like.
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matt166 wrote:Does anybody know what the proper criteria is for opting out of a repick resign . I know a change in start times can trigger a repick/resign.
If my start time has changed but my duty struture remains the same , does my duty have to go into the resign or can I opt out.
what ever dim and union says goes . can you imagine going it alone because it says something on royal mail chat " i dont think so "