putting mail back in sack/boxes

[stuarthosepipe]

i know of a postie struggling with a big rural delivery who admits to putting mail back in collection sacks, to save time each day. i think they are going to some calls every other day. is there any way of them being caught for this or can it not be proven, as it could have been a misdelivery and a customer putting it back in a postbox?

[cyberheater]

Just wow.

The guys needs to speak to his manager and state that it's too big and he is not prepared to go over his time and will bring back what he can't deliver every day. The manager will be forced to sort it out.

[stuarthosepipe]

I think they are taking this risk due to the B&H in the office and overtime not being paid reliably despite being written and sign on the sheet.

He used to be happy to go over 1/2 hours a day and be paid but lately a lot of overtime has been going missing.

When people in our office state they haven't time to complete, they are met with hostility,accused of being slow, compared with other staff, told the figures show the mail is down, all manner of excuses to intimidate people into working for nothing.

[clashcityrocker]

Yes they will be caught.
It will be classed as wilful delay.
They will be sacked.

[minimumstandard]

so what woul dhappen if he did it and denied all knowledge when caught

[fishtank]

is there any way of them being caught for this or can it not be proven,

When it is spotted,and it will be because it's very easy to spot mail that has already been through the system..IB will send out various test letters to addresses on his delivery explaining to the customer what they are and asking them to respond when they receive them.
They may also use RFID technology to track the letters,they will also monitor the boxes he is using.
All of this will obviously be done without the knowledge of the delivery officer who will continue to believe he is getting away with it right up until he feels the hand on his collar and has to explain to his family just how big an arse he is.

[stuarthosepipe]

Thats what I thought, and I warned him its not a good idea, but he is fed up and sees no other option as managers aren't listening when he said the jobs too big. He said he mixes his "shabs" back in with the collections he does from the 7/8 boxes on his way round so thinks he wont get caught.

I dont blame him for not wanting to go over duty time when you cant rely on overtime being paid, but surely it would be better to refuse to take it all out, what can the managers do if you tell them you havent time and will leave some in the frame? is it best to leave in the frame or take it out and bring back?

[clashcityrocker]

what can the managers do if you tell them you havent time and will leave some in the frame? is it best to leave in the frame or take it out and bring back?

He needs to, with a witness state that he cannot complete the duty in his contracted hours and isn't willing to do overtime.
It is then up to the manager to decide what action he is to take.
Worst case scenario - the manager states he is unwilling to provide any assistance. This is why he needs a witness.

What happens when he is off - rest day/sick/hols/sick. He's just leaving a problem for someone else.

[clashcityrocker]

so what woul dhappen if he did it and denied all knowledge when caught

They would sack him and he would look a tit.
It's not a court of law. They don't need to prove anything.

[stuarthosepipe]

I wonder how hot they are on it, going by the cuts they are making everywhere.

I have noticed lately that there is a lot less 'print' on letters (from going through a stamping machine), and instead nearly every item now has a barcode, either on the letter or on a sticker (often stuck on top of the address).

[international]

your friend will get caught the guys sorting the mail up will notice it the guys emptying the boxes will notice it too just be careful alot of mail is time sensitive and customer will complain if they notice a problem.
if he can not complete highlight the problem on the day off what is the float turn doing. if he wants to keep the job he needs to change his way of working if he is not bothered then he should carry on it wont be too long before he is out the door very sooon.

[chrisj]

What will happen is that the letters will go through the IMP twice and those tiny red lines can give quite a bit of info...

[Lounge Lizard]

I wonder how hot they are on it, going by the cuts they are making everywhere.

I have noticed lately that there is a lot less 'print' on letters (from going through a stamping machine), and instead nearly every item now has a barcode, either on the letter or on a sticker (often stuck on top of the address).

Yes, nearly every item now has a barcode - DSA, PPI, meter and stamped.
Over 90% of mail is DSA, PPI and meter and those put back into a collection will be soon be noticed, as will stamped mail which will most likely have a barcode even if the stamp hasn't been postmarked.
So practically no chance of getting away with it, especially as there will soon be complaints about the irregularity of deliveries from those outposts only done on alternate days.

[The_Wax_Man]

Yes they will be caught.
It will be classed as wilful delay.
They will be sacked.

^^ This 100%

No discussion, Do not pass go, Do not collect $200.

[spoodoo]

So a missort 5,000 miles back on ure delivery in the blizzards and wind ,,,,,?