OVERTIME CLAIMS

[ABLOKE]

I have been told by my managers that overtime for Mondays and Tuesdays have to go on Wednesdays overtime sheet as no excess overtime can be paid for these days, as they have been instructed by manager above them. Is this correct procedure or does it need looking into ?

[venom]

I have been told by my managers that overtime for Mondays and Tuesdays have to go on Wednesdays overtime sheet as no excess overtime can be paid for these days, as they have been instructed by manager above them. Is this correct procedure or does it need looking into ?

sounds like a managers fiddle to me surely if you book mondays on weds that is fraud

[ABLOKE]

The word "fraud " is what i was thinking.

[resperin]

The new psp system won't let you put more than x amount of hours as your also supposed to have 8 hour rest, the manager would be getting around it by doing that. I don't see any issue as your still getting paid. If its to do with fact your finishing late after your round then yeah must be covering that up.

[ABLOKE]

The overtime is excess after normal finishing time, and it has been admitted that they (line managers) are under preassure from above that no body should be making excess overtime claims on Mondays and Tuesdays. As a result they are wanting me to add these claims on to other days of the week so it wont show up on Monday and Tuesday, if i do this , say add Mondays and Tuesdays onto Wednesday it leaves me open to fraud alligations as i am putting in writting that i am claiming more hours than i actually worked on Wednesday. Mind you it doesnt help that a large proportion of staff start work early and work for nothing either because they are desparate to finish early or dont like the pressure of making overtime claims and so will work for nothing instead.

[Lincox]

Drop a line to Moya and tell her that you are being asked to complete fraudulent overtime claims. Dont do it. Work to your hours on the days that they wont pay the overtime.

[hantsman]

I have been told by my managers that overtime for Mondays and Tuesdays have to go on Wednesdays overtime sheet as no excess overtime can be paid for these days, as they have been instructed by manager above them. Is this correct procedure or does it need looking into ?

As its to do with pay, ask said manager to put this in writing.

[demon]

it so they can doctor the figures for monday and tusedays amount of mail and keep the office doing lappsing on them 2 days

[worktotime]

in our office we dont have docket sheets no more , your just told to wait till a sat and claim for what youve worked over your 39 hrs (banking hours come to mind) and then you have to put it on a bit of paper . i still think it should be done by a clock machine , clocking on and off so you have proof of your finishing times as some people are haveing time crossed off and argueing over it , and the union rep (area) nos whats going on and done nothing about it . the doms are just doing what they want to the workers and getting away with it.

[Lincox]

This worktotime is designed to get everyone to complete each day regardless of whether you go over your time or not. It is a banking of hours method for which there is no NATIONAL agreement, but there could possibly be a local agreement which would have been signed by local rep (with or without members knowledge). What happens if you do not wish to do overtime? Do they actively monitor hours on days underworked by each individual and counteract this against the days when overtime is worked or is it just oh stick it on a bit of paper at the end of the week and if we feel like paying you we will.

[ABLOKE]

We are supposed to take into account days we are under our times and pay back on days we are over , the term they use is " swings and round abouts " . But trying to claim on so called lighter days , they cant understand why i am over in fact according to them i should be under according to their figures. Its frustrating and after reading other posts its similar all over the country, its my fault i am obviously not up to the job any more. Any way they want the overtime for Monday and Tuesday booked on Wednesday so they can tell their manager everthing is working ok on Monday and Tuesday . One manager told me about the pressure they get from above and how uncomfortable it is for them , then they try to do the same to me. After reading some of the posts on this forum i can only say its very sad what this business has become. Mind you looking on the bright side things can only get worse.

[Lincox]

Thats not swings and roundabouts, its banking of hours. Swings and roundabouts relate to the flexibility agreement whereby a manager can ask for 30 minutes flexibility once a week in the event of an unforeseen occurrence. It is not a binding agreement as the manager has to take account of personal circumstances, and if you agree to be flexible the 30 minutes has to be paid back in the same week as contracted hours for the week does not change. Hence the swings and roundabouts, as an individual can also ask his manager to work 30 minutes less one day a week but give it back in the same week. This is the theory but in practice managers are abusing the National Agreement and putting their own interpretations on what swings and roundabouts mean.

[worktotime]

This worktotime is designed to get everyone to complete each day regardless of whether you go over your time or not. It is a banking of hours method for which there is no NATIONAL agreement, but there could possibly be a local agreement which would have been signed by local rep (with or without members knowledge). What happens if you do not wish to do overtime? Do they actively monitor hours on days underworked by each individual and counteract this against the days when overtime is worked or is it just oh stick it on a bit of paper at the end of the week and if we feel like paying you we will.

hi lincox , if you dont want to go over its a massive arguement but nobody sticks by you , your finishing time is wrote down everyday by them or another dom , and yes you wait till the following thursday and surprise suprise no payment or time taken off.

[Lincox]

If there is no local agreement put in a grievance. There is no banking of hours agreement.

[ABLOKE]

Thats not swings and roundabouts, its banking of hours. Swings and roundabouts relate to the flexibility agreement whereby a manager can ask for 30 minutes flexibility once a week in the event of an unforeseen occurrence. It is not a binding agreement as the manager has to take account of personal circumstances, and if you agree to be flexible the 30 minutes has to be paid back in the same week as contracted hours for the week does not change. Hence the swings and roundabouts, as an individual can also ask his manager to work 30 minutes less one day a week but give it back in the same week. This is the theory but in practice managers are abusing the National Agreement and putting their own interpretations on what swings and roundabouts mean.

Thanks for the imformation , we dont have a unit rep at the moment so its more important than ever to understand all the differant agreements ourselves. I find one of the problems is most people just get on and do what ever they are told because they dont want confrontation with managers but moan about it behind their backs and say how the union never does owt to help them. Time to stand up and question things everybody as they are walking all over us time and time again and having a good laugh at us at the same time. US Managers