local agreements

[eddieb]

what exactly is a local agreement,do we as members have any say in these or is it just management and reps.are these agreements actually put down on paper for us to see, cheers eddie

[arnold cheshire]

what exactly is a local agreement,do we as members have any say in these or is it just management and reps.are these agreements actually put down on paper for us to see, cheers eddie

local agreements mean we are knackered :dcfo

[hans solo]

no agreement should be signed off without permission from members even if having to vote on items

[arnold cheshire]

no agreement should be signed off without permission from members even if having to vote on items

managers make the agreements like absorbing everyday we have no say

[WHITEANT]

What is SUPPOSED to happen is managment come up with a plan (eg -lapsing)they discuss it with union rep ,the rep should go to its members and discuss and vote wether u accept it .He gets ideas from its members then goes back to managment with them .Now what really happens is we find out on shop floor what union rep has agreed to and its members have had no say .

[eddieb]

but as i said what is the union line on these agreements,and do or should they be in writing for us to see and use for back up if necessary

[WHITEANT]

Yes they will be in writing and signed by both union rep and DO ,but the union rep shouldnt sign nothing until h his members has been consulted ,but as everyone knows that just doesnt happen .The first we here of anything is when DO comes round and tells you to do a certain thing lapsing etc we give off and the DO says your union has agreed with it

[swashy]

local union rep's are required to negotiate with management on negotiable issues on your behalf. Union rep's negotiate agreements they do not make them. That is the responsibility of the members. A union rep at certain stages in the negotiation process should consult and inform the members - that's you and by you I mean the majority. You then have certain options: -
1. Accept 2. Reject 3. We like these bits but we don't like that so go back and see if you can get it changed and come back to us.
A union representative should not sign a local agreement without the majority support of the members. If this is happening - you need a new union rep.

[motherhubbard]

local union rep's are required to negotiate with management on negotiable issues on your behalf. Union rep's negotiate agreements they do not make them. That is the responsibility of the members. A union rep at certain stages in the negotiation process should consult and inform the members - that's you and by you I mean the majority. You then have certain options: -
1. Accept 2. Reject 3. We like these bits but we don't like that so go back and see if you can get it changed and come back to us.
A union representative should not sign a local agreement without the majority support of the members. If this is happening - you need a new union rep.

What if "the majority" want an agreement that is outside of CWU principles or National Agreements?
I am thinking specifically of attendance patterns where the f/t staff have got 1 in 4 Saturdays but their "minority" p/t colleagues have stayed on 1 in 6?
Is the reps loyalty to his/her members or the CWU?