drop bag frame weights and portering

[millitant]

what would be the position of overweight bags on a drop bag frame and the safe system of work.
most offices since the revision do not have enough staff to do the job and line manager continue to pull staff off their allocated duties to get the mail out.

as i understand it, changing bags on the drop bag frames is the responsibility of the porters

is this correct and is their any official guidance on the use of porters in this regards as i am about to go into disagreement on this issue at the next PIR meeting

[bag69]

Supposed to be. If its anything like our place they are filled 2 foot over tha top and overweight.

[millitant]

Supposed to be. If its anything like our place they are filled 2 foot over tha top and overweight.

what i intend to do is to put an immediate stop on this practice as it is in direct contravention of SSOW

its just i need to see guidance or codes of practice that state that it is the porters resposibility to drop the bags

[kmite]

Porters? We're not even allowed round the back of the ips because we haven:t been trained to do so, never mind porters. We're currently at revision plus 5 months so any day now.

[Himaggen]

Could you try to explain what issue you are seeking to take to disagreement.

If your porter trolleys don't have the facility to carry the drop bags or their content then I can see that as an issue to investigate, however if you're just disagreeing with who's job it is then I cannot see much headway occurring in any discussions.

The real issue however is that you have overweight bags, any employee, porter or otherwise, is not allowed to lift an overweight, (over 11 kg) bag. It is a Health and Safety requirement that the bag weight limit is not exceeded, this is the responsibility of the person(s), sorting to those bags. Additionally it is the Manager who has to ensure that the sorters know this limit and that measures are put in place to both enforce them and to control risks should a breach occur.

[PhilthyPhil]

How can people sorting into a DBF reasonably ensure no bags are filled to over 11kg? You only know how heavy it is when you try and lift it.

[Himaggen]

How can people sorting into a DBF reasonably ensure no bags are filled to over 11kg? You only know how heavy it is when you try and lift it.

Don't fill them, don't put individual items above a set weight into them, increase frequency of collection etc.

Our company has acknowledged that packets numbers are increasing. It is their responsibility to ensure that they have controls in place to ensure that the processes and systems they use are suitable for the tasks in that changing market. I would suggest that a post indoor and outdoor revision office would use mini yorks for packets.

What were you told to do to ensure that the maximum weight limits were not exceeded during your training. If you have not been trained or have not been made aware of your responsibilities when undertaking the task, request immediate training/re-training.

[fishtank]

I would suggest that a post indoor and outdoor revision office would use mini yorks for packets.

It is allegedly the future.

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[DGP1]

We have a big office but not anywhere near big enough for that, plus, those mini yorks aren't big enough to take all the packets for a duty which is going to be fun to empty.

[fishtank]

We have a big office but not anywhere near big enough for that, plus, those mini yorks aren't big enough to take all the packets for a duty which is going to be fun to empty.

I don't think a lot of offices have the space to fully deploy an Indoor Methods revision,either it will be done on a best fit basis or it will be used as another excuse to move offices into industrial estates.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Bring on the quadruple shared slot mini walk frames, so there is even more room to comply with WCM floorspace loonacy!

[Himaggen]

those mini yorks aren't big enough to take all the packets for a duty

Well they should have a capacity considerably greater than a few 'full' DBs, therefore reducing lifting, carrying, emptying frequency and lower weight constraints. The parcels for the duties would continue to be sorted to DORCs.

[DGP1]

those mini yorks aren't big enough to take all the packets for a duty

Well they should have a capacity considerably greater than a few 'full' DBs, therefore reducing lifting, carrying, emptying frequency and lower weight constraints. The parcels for the duties would continue to be sorted to DORCs.

I usually get a full york of packets/parcels (as do most of the office) and they're normally thrown into the DBF, only the ones that don't fit into the bags get thrown at the frames so, usually it's 2 packet bags on a light day and 4/5 on a normal day.............so I doubt they'll be big enough to cope, especially with room to put even the biggest packet into the mini york

Not that I really care, if it takes me longer then it's just less delivery, their problem to sort out, not mine

[Himaggen]

I usually get a full york of packets/parcels (as do most of the office) and they're normally thrown into the DBF, only the ones that don't fit into the bags get thrown at the frames so, usually it's 2 packet bags on a light day and 4/5 on a normal day.............so I doubt they'll be big enough to cope, especially with room to put even the biggest packet into the mini york

only small packets below a specific size and weight should be sorted to the DBF.

To summarize you get your Mini York and a DORC (Delivery Office Roll Cage). 'Small packets' are destined for the DBF/Mini York, large packets and parcels should be sorted to DORCs, (approximately the same size as Yorks)

[DGP1]

I usually get a full york of packets/parcels (as do most of the office) and they're normally thrown into the DBF, only the ones that don't fit into the bags get thrown at the frames so, usually it's 2 packet bags on a light day and 4/5 on a normal day.............so I doubt they'll be big enough to cope, especially with room to put even the biggest packet into the mini york

only small packets below a specific size and weight should be sorted to the DBF.

To summarize you get your Mini York and a DORC (Delivery Office Roll Cage). 'Small packets' are destined for the DBF/Mini York, large packets and parcels should be sorted to DORCs, (approximately the same size as Yorks)

DORC, we don't even have enough of these for each duty, the MC demands they are all returned and who are we to argue