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DO's divided?

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hubbahubba
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DO's divided?

Post by hubbahubba »

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of infighting that goes on in DO's.Most blue shirts threads turn into "runners VS by the book posties"!
What percentage would you say the average DO is per camp?
Personally,working in a MC,id say only around 5-10% come in early,or leave late,while the rest of us do our 8 hours,and once the time ticks over,go home.
Just can't see why anyone would work for free? :crazy:
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kmite
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by kmite »

All the old guard come in early, mostly 15 - 20 minutes, 1 or 2 up to an hour. Everyone takes their break "at the end of their shift" not one person uses their trolley and everyone pisses and moans about the constant threat of lapsing. The amount of drivers that have just happened to nip home for a pee if anyone sees their van at half 12 or 1 is a joke
Judgee
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by Judgee »

It's mostly the new guys in my office that are the runners. To be fair most are on shitty rolling contracts and are worried about them not renewing them! :hmmmm
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not me
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by not me »

hubbahubba wrote:It never ceases to amaze me the amount of infighting that goes on in DO's.Most blue shirts threads turn into "runners VS by the book posties"!
What percentage would you say the average DO is per camp?
Personally,working in a MC,id say only around 5-10% come in early,or leave late,while the rest of us do our 8 hours,and once the time ticks over,go home.
Just can't see why anyone would work for free? :crazy:

even worse
you also have different postcodes with a DO (we have 4)
so theres a split for a start
DOs are a different animal to MCs,plus the fact you are on your own a lot more with regard to finsih times
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by spoodoo »

We are bout 80 percent come in well b4 time !
Straight4ward
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by Straight4ward »

Hubbahubba,
Attempting to answer your question as to why people would work for free.

A lot of it comes down to our old friend job & finish. The reasoning was that you came in early, got out the door early, got finished early and went home early – result! The rest of the day was yours to do with as you pleased.

Despite the revisions, despite the increase in workload, this mentality still exists for the majority. Our office is a good example, we had our revision and for all of a least a whole week afterwards, those returning early were put on IPS for the next day’s mailsort. However, for this to happen, it required that a line manager had to remain to ensure that people didn’t just go straight home. As management were as keen as any of their staff to leave early, they soon let that idea fade into oblivion. We are now back where we started, prior to the revision, with job & finish.

Then there’s the issue of completing the job. Correct me if I’m wrong, I’ve never worked in a mail centre so I’m making assumptions here, but when you reach the end of your 8 hour shift there is another shift that will come in and pick up where you left off. In delivery it’s somewhat different, if people don’t want to work beyond their hours then they have to estimate how much they can do and get a line manager to agree to take some of the workload off them. It varies from office to office and from manager to manager but rarely do they make it easy for them. People may get pressurised into taking more than they can cope with, they may find themselves being made to feel inadequate because they cannot complete, they may be made to feel guilty.

Then there’s peer group pressure, every postie will tell you that they have the hardest duty in the office and that yours’ is a piece of piss that they could complete in under 2 hours or 3 hours or whatever. It’s all total b*llocks of course but doesn’t feel like it to the put-upon postie, again the result is to make the individual feel inadequate.

Lastly, there’s the not wanting to let the public down. If their manager says that there is no one to cover their cut-off and that it will be left for them until the next day, they can feel obligated to complete. Who wants to delay greetings card, presents, news of appointments etc.?

This is not an exhaustive list by any means but all are possible reasons why people may choose to start ahead of their time. Sometimes it just comes down to the fact that you can’t sleep (been guilty of that one myself on the odd occasion).
Hope this fills in some of the blanks for you.
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hubbahubba
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by hubbahubba »

Thanks for the indepth reply straight,very interesting reading!Although i haven't worked in a DO,a have a rough idea of what happens because a lot of MC workers started out on delivery!I can understand the not wanting to let the public down,but i wouldn't be made to feel guilty by an overbearing DOM or lino,as i know ultimatly its their fault,and not the posties ATEOTD.
Although you're right about the MC culture of one shift starting as the other finishes,there is certainly no love lost between shifts!It ranges from freindly banter "earlys got it easy,nights take the piss" etc,to outright hostility.Certainly managers from other shifts don't go out of their way to help out the following shift,hasn't always been this way,but as a lot of the "old guard" management style leave,they are usually replaced with younger,more selfish bootlickers,who are afraid to say "no" to the shift manager.This normally results in your section being s**t on from above,as long as the line managers life is made easier!
Its funny,although we work for the same company,its a totally different animal,just the management style that seems the same! :roll:
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Patrick Clifton
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by Patrick Clifton »

Straight4ward wrote:Hubbahubba,
Attempting to answer your question as to why people would work for free.

A lot of it comes down to our old friend job & finish. The reasoning was that you came in early, got out the door early, got finished early and went home early – result! The rest of the day was yours to do with as you pleased.

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An excellant post and sums up my feelings on the matter.
Stella102
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Re: DO's divided?

Post by Stella102 »

As stated it all depends whether or not a manager is present. When the manager is in people slow down and come back on time, when its his day off that's the first thing that's talked about in the morning a typical scenario is as follows:
postman 1"manager day off today?"
postman 2 "yes"
postman 1 "ok, better tell the rest"
and then no one hangs around, its job and knock from there on in. That's human nature for you.