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Having received a pro rata bonus recently, can I insist on taking a pro rata amount of mail out on delivery?
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Yeah of course you can :cuppa
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that bit always bugs me.

I take out the sames D2D's that everyone else does, I have to prep them myself into my frame BUT I still get less than people on more hours!!!

delivery suppliment should be the same universally imo.
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Why do Part timers who work 5 days contrated still get pro rata for bonuses and delivery supplement ?
When it used to be 4 days 8 hours then that was fine but when we were changed to 6.5 hours over 5 days on P/L you are delivering the same D2D's as fulltime staff. :evil/mad
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Eastie,how long have you been on the site ffs! :crazy:
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POSTMAN wrote:Eastie,how long have you been on the site ffs! :crazy:
dont have time to read every thread :oops:
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doorstepped wrote:that bit always bugs me.

I take out the sames D2D's that everyone else does, I have to prep them myself into my frame BUT I still get less than people on more hours!!!

delivery suppliment should be the same universally imo.
But wouldn't you be paid a better hourly rate than those working more hours than you.

Its called a Delivery Supplement because it encompasses all delivery work not just the actual Delivery.

Just to add to the debate, what would happen to the extra pay PTimers get when they do docket up to FT hour instead of getting more DS.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
doorstepped wrote:that bit always bugs me.

I take out the sames D2D's that everyone else does, I have to prep them myself into my frame BUT I still get less than people on more hours!!!

delivery suppliment should be the same universally imo.
But wouldn't you be paid a better hourly rate than those working more hours than you.

Its called a Delivery Supplement because it encompasses all delivery work not just the actual Delivery.

Just to add to the debate, what would happen to the extra pay PTimers get when they do docket up to FT hour instead of getting more DS.
You dont get any extra supplement, I do Fulltime hours even though I am on a 32 hour contract over 5 days but still get prorata delivery supplement
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eastie wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
doorstepped wrote:that bit always bugs me.

I take out the sames D2D's that everyone else does, I have to prep them myself into my frame BUT I still get less than people on more hours!!!

delivery suppliment should be the same universally imo.
But wouldn't you be paid a better hourly rate than those working more hours than you.

Its called a Delivery Supplement because it encompasses all delivery work not just the actual Delivery.

Just to add to the debate, what would happen to the extra pay PTimers get when they do docket up to FT hour instead of getting more DS.
You dont get any extra supplement, I do Fulltime hours even though I am on a 32 hour contract over 5 days but still get prorata delivery supplement
From what the PTimers tell me in my office apparently your hourly rate for the overtime goes up, the extra is the DS for your overtime.
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And of course the D2D money that went into the pot, something not really highlighted but in reality for the same work in the past you would have been paid per item. A part timer being paid just as much as a full timer for the items delivered previously is now being paid a pro rata rate for the same amount of work as a full timer......................still as the pundits say, there's winners and losers..............or should that be full timers and part timers?
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dvbuk55 wrote:And of course the D2D money that went into the pot, something not really highlighted but in reality for the same work in the past you would have been paid per item. A part timer being paid just as much as a full timer for the items delivered previously is now being paid a pro rata rate for the same amount of work as a full timer......................still as the pundits say, there's winners and losers..............or should that be full timers and part timers?
But don't forget the ESA1 and ESA2 Full timers lost which it appears a lot of PT forget, that went into the DS pot as well.

I personally lost approx £30 a week on D2Ds and £12 on ESA and gained £20 - total lost £22. 30hr PTimers did not get ESA but lost £30 on D2Ds and got £16 on DS - for a loss of £14.
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I lost 15 hours a week!!!

started on a 40 hour contract, two weeks before my first year was up, I received a loverly letter saying " well done, you are now on a 25 hour contract "
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:But don't forget the ESA1 and ESA2 Full timers lost which it appears a lot of PT forget, that went into the DS pot as well.

I personally lost approx £30 a week on D2Ds and £12 on ESA and gained £20 - total lost £22. 30hr PTimers did not get ESA but lost £30 on D2Ds and got £16 on DS - for a loss of £14.
That's not specific to full / part timers though!

I'm part time and always have been, I lost both D2D & ESA and gained only £16. The only difference between myself and a full timer is that they do more indoor work. I prep all of my D2D and deliver all of them too along with all of the mail; meaning that I should receive 100% 'delivery' supplement because I'm 'delivering' 100% of the mail.
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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:And of course the D2D money that went into the pot, something not really highlighted but in reality for the same work in the past you would have been paid per item. A part timer being paid just as much as a full timer for the items delivered previously is now being paid a pro rata rate for the same amount of work as a full timer......................still as the pundits say, there's winners and losers..............or should that be full timers and part timers?
But don't forget the ESA1 and ESA2 Full timers lost which it appears a lot of PT forget, that went into the DS pot as well.

I personally lost approx £30 a week on D2Ds and £12 on ESA and gained £20 - total lost £22. 30hr PTimers did not get ESA but lost £30 on D2Ds and got £16 on DS - for a loss of £14.
What makes you think part timers didn't get ESA? Some of the guys I worked with got it as did I.
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dvbuk55 wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:And of course the D2D money that went into the pot, something not really highlighted but in reality for the same work in the past you would have been paid per item. A part timer being paid just as much as a full timer for the items delivered previously is now being paid a pro rata rate for the same amount of work as a full timer......................still as the pundits say, there's winners and losers..............or should that be full timers and part timers?
But don't forget the ESA1 and ESA2 Full timers lost which it appears a lot of PT forget, that went into the DS pot as well.

I personally lost approx £30 a week on D2Ds and £12 on ESA and gained £20 - total lost £22. 30hr PTimers did not get ESA but lost £30 on D2Ds and got £16 on DS - for a loss of £14.
What makes you think part timers didn't get ESA? Some of the guys I worked with got it as did I.
The points the same those who had ESA1 and ESA2 lost more than those who didn't get it irrespective of their hours. Most posties at my gaff (and some posters on here) seem to think that the Delivery Supplement was a direct swap from D2D to DS - it wasn't.
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