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NAME AND SHAME
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mollynomates
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NAME AND SHAME
I work in the barnsley office, (north east) and we have had a work time learning session as we have this office has the highest number of customer complaints. Customer complaints have increased since the revision.The first group to attend were the duty holders for the duties which had received the highest number of complaints. To my disgust I discovered my name was at the top of the list even though the complaints were nothing to do with me, the rota guy and my work buddy were the culprits. One of the complaints happened whilst I was on holiday, but it appears to be my fault!!!!!. To add insult to injury a name and shame list was displayed naming the postie and the number of complaints against them. (as the duty holder I have to take the rap). I spoke to my union rep, he went up like a sky rocket, then he spoke to the DOM who said they could put up a name and shame list. This escalated higher and the manager had to take down the list. It turns out the list has to show the duty number not the duty holder. When I went to load my van a coward shouted "you are not fit to be a f******ing postie, can't do the job". The sarcastic comments continue in the office. I am already under dda for depression, caused by bullying!!!!!!!!!!!
My questions are can royal mail put up a name and shame list? Can they put all the complaints against the duty holder, even when innocent? Has any one else had the same
My questions are can royal mail put up a name and shame list? Can they put all the complaints against the duty holder, even when innocent? Has any one else had the same
Last edited by TrueBlueTerrier on 28 Jun 2012, 15:53, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: changed from Caps Lock to sentence case - made it a lot easier to read.
Reason: changed from Caps Lock to sentence case - made it a lot easier to read.
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fishtank
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
The question isn't whether they can put up a list but whether it would be considered to be bullying and/or harassment.
Bullying is intimidation on a regular and persistent basis or as a one-off which serves to undermine the competence, effectiveness, confidence and integrity of the person on the receiving end. A bully misuses his or her power, position or knowledge to criticise, humiliate and destroy subordinate, colleague or their manager.
Harassment is any inappropriate and unwanted behaviour that could reasonably be perceived by the recipient or any other person, to be affecting their dignity.
It certainly ticks both boxes in my opinion...and by the way those are Royal Mail's own definitions.
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Bullying is intimidation on a regular and persistent basis or as a one-off which serves to undermine the competence, effectiveness, confidence and integrity of the person on the receiving end. A bully misuses his or her power, position or knowledge to criticise, humiliate and destroy subordinate, colleague or their manager.
Harassment is any inappropriate and unwanted behaviour that could reasonably be perceived by the recipient or any other person, to be affecting their dignity.
It certainly ticks both boxes in my opinion...and by the way those are Royal Mail's own definitions.
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POSTMAN
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
Very similar to this...There will be no displaying of any information relating to any individuals performance.
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 42&t=37811" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
PS:Where did the CAPS go?
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
It was me I have an FF extension so I can change it with a few button presses.POSTMAN wrote:PS:Where did the CAPS go?
Hope that was OK Molly.
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Almighty1
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
I fail to see how name and shaming you is gonna improve or resolve the problems bought on by another ill implemented revision. I think this definitely comes under bullying and harassment. like you said your already stressed and this situation will only be exacerbating your condition. Maybe a trip to your Doctor and a few months off work due to work related stress will help you feel better, it certainly worked with my colleagues 
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Grinder64
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
If it's a shiny, sparkling, all singing all dancing 'World Class Mail' initiative and there are bonuses to be had then the answer is most likely yesmollynomates wrote: My questions are can royal mail put up a name and shame list? Can they put all the complaints against the duty holder, even when innocent?
You do the work, they get the loot. The men with the smiles and the 3 piece suits.
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dvbuk55
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
We did have a duty list with the number of complaints against that duty but not naming any individual, that was a few years ago and it has since died the death because it had no effect whatsoever. There are now a variety of lists showing what position each office has achieved but as there is a huge difference between volumes of mail, terrain, revision or not it's just an exercise in statistics not a process for improvement - but I don't think they've spotted that yet
At the end of the day you don't need some office bound pillock telling you whether you have done a good job or not
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eastie
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
I used to get complaints about doorstepping and letters posted to wrong houses and after being blamed initially by management I knew it was't me and found out it was the docket king doing my cut off.
After telling the DOM it wasn't me it was the Docket King, guess what......nothing happened
After telling the DOM it wasn't me it was the Docket King, guess what......nothing happened
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pissedoffpete
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
well as we all know docket kings are allowed to get away with a lot more than the rest
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osgoody1970
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
absolutely disgraceful, its bullying and harrassement, we should let not one manager get away with this, tell your union rep to push this all the way to the top, we have to put an end to this right now!!!!
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stokes11eg
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
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The wanderer
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
Definitely falls under the bullying and harassment procedure for me.
Management by putting up this list are encouraging others to bully and harass you also.
As usual in these circumstances keep a diary of events and insults put your way as a result of this list IE name shouting across the yard.
Management could even be guilty of encouraging group harassment.
Read the bullying and harassment procedure and also Royal mails conduct code a few times until you are familiar with it, the fact that the complaints weren't even against you adds weight to your argument.
You do not haveto put up with this in the work place but you have to go about it the right way and understanding the bullying and harassment procedure and the conduct code is most important.
Take your time, collect your evidence and don't let it get to you, these people are just ignorant cowards, once bullying and harassment is mentioned they will shite a brick.
Good luck, it's happened to me on more than one occasion.
Management by putting up this list are encouraging others to bully and harass you also.
As usual in these circumstances keep a diary of events and insults put your way as a result of this list IE name shouting across the yard.
Management could even be guilty of encouraging group harassment.
Read the bullying and harassment procedure and also Royal mails conduct code a few times until you are familiar with it, the fact that the complaints weren't even against you adds weight to your argument.
You do not haveto put up with this in the work place but you have to go about it the right way and understanding the bullying and harassment procedure and the conduct code is most important.
Take your time, collect your evidence and don't let it get to you, these people are just ignorant cowards, once bullying and harassment is mentioned they will shite a brick.
Good luck, it's happened to me on more than one occasion.
I always feel like someone is watching me.
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krussel
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
Agree with the above your manager has caused this to happen, get your rep on the case asapThe wanderer wrote:Definitely falls under the bullying and harassment procedure for me.
Management by putting up this list are encouraging others to bully and harass you also.
As usual in these circumstances keep a diary of events and insults put your way as a result of this list IE name shouting across the yard.
We had a list with duty numbers displayed and i was 2nd from the top with 2 complaints. Turned out it was my support driver doorstepping parcels.
Waste of time.
Rows of houses all bearing down on me........I can feel their blue hands touching me.......All these things in all positions.........All these things will one day take control..........
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brookstar
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Re: NAME AND SHAME
hi mollynomates, i'm also in Barnsley office and i can honestly say untill today 30/06, i had not heard of any of this nor of any name n shame list, i'm absolutely disgusted that staff at our office can do this ( hopefully a minority ) but more with management for creating the problem in the first place, you don't have to feel alone in this, i for one will help and make sure that it doesn't get swept under the carpet, we'll make sure this goes as high or as far as you want it to, i can assure you i don't back down till things are sorted, if you think i can help you or you'd like to discuss it then just let yourself known to me, i believe you know who i am. I wonder if you're able to view this list or request a copy cos i'd love to see where i am, and the ones that think they're so superior