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markyd
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Long term absence

Post by markyd »

Hi all I am Mark and have just signed up to this site today and i am looking for some good advice or documentation to help me with a problem...

My wife got took very ill one year ago where I took unpaid leave to take care of her and my children.
Is there anything on here I can read or can anyone give advice on company policy to what employer or employees procedures should be as i am about to lose my job through no fault of my own....

Appreciate any help :sad:
NumptyBumpty
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Re: Long term absence

Post by NumptyBumpty »

Have you got any more information? How long have you worked for Royal Mail? Are you being dismissed, if so on what grounds? Are you still on a Career Break or special leave? Is your wife disabled? If so, you will also be covered by the Equality Act by association.
markyd
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Re: Long term absence

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Well i have 4 years service,my wife suffered with severe anxiety 1 year ago and was actually sectioned under the mental health act and was in hospital for 2 months,I have had to do everything from cooking, cleaning looking after her and my 3 children. Things were progressing nicely and I thought a return to work was on the cards last August untill she had a major relapse.I am still off work but 2 weeks ago I had my p45 in the post and a letter saying abandenment of service. I have had no notice,no chance of a meeting - nothing... I have sought advice and a tribunal is being set up... As i said Have I done anything wrong and can such action be taken, I realy loved my job and was hoping for a return to work this summer.
NumptyBumpty
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Re: Long term absence

Post by NumptyBumpty »

On the face of it, it doesn't sound like RM have followed the correct process which will always look poor at a tribunal. Have you done your bit by keeping contact etc? Were you on Special Leave? Did you have an agreed date to return?
liamlayor
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Re: Long term absence

Post by liamlayor »

Hi Mark,
Take a look at this:

Former Royal Mail worker wins unfair dismissal claim over sick son

A woman who was sacked for taking time off to care for her asthmatic son has been awarded £8700 at an employment tribunal.

The judge ruled that Alison Balch, who took time off seven times during her 6 month trial period at Royal Mail, had been unfairly dismissed as she received no formal warning about her attendance before she was fired.

The tribunal heard that, as a new employee, Balch should have been given a performance review after 3 months.

Although her line manager had written up a performance review at this stage which raised concerns about her attendance, she did not see this until she met him for her 6 month assessment.

Shortly after this meeting she was dismissed and given one weeks notice, despite explaining that her five year old son suffered from health problems.

Stephen Simpson, employment lawyer at XpertHR commented: “it is automatically unfair to dismiss someone for asserting the statutory right to a reasonable amount of unpaid time off to deal with emergency situations involving a dependant
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“This is the type of case where an individual might bring a discrimination claim for an association with a disabled person (in this case the employees own child), especially now that the Equality Act 2010 explicitly allows for this”

The tribunal ruled that both Balch’s contract of employment and Royal Mail’s attendance procedures failed to mention time off for dependants and so failed to adhere to the Employment Rights Act.


Unless the RM have changed their contracts and attendance procedure to include time off for dependants, which I doubt, then this might still be relevant. I'm sure someone will let you know if they have been updated, in the meantime, I'll be watching this thread and help if I can.

I'm sure you will already have submitted a grievance , if not, do. You don't need the grievance form, just write a letter of grievance. RM have 5 days in which to respond to it - they usually don't!.

If you plan to submit a claim to an Employment Tribunal for disability discrimination by association and unfair dismissal, Do it sooner rather than later but you only have 3 months less one day from the date of your dismissal to submit a claim.

Hope this is of some help.
markyd
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Re: Long term absence

Post by markyd »

Could you tell me more about this grievence form I have never heard of it, and how do i get hold of one.
I did not have a date of return as my wifes health could go up and down, my only downfall is that i did lose contact over the last few months but that is only down to what has been going on here at home, I have found it stressful myself.But I have had no letter or nothing from RM with their intent.
My tribunal is set for July and my solictor is claiming unfair dismissal and discrimination.

Thanks to everybody with there input
liamlayor
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Re: Long term absence

Post by liamlayor »

You don't need an official grievance form, you can just write your grievance down in a letter - keep it simple - that you consider you have been unfairly dismissed and that you have been discriminated against by association because your wife is disabled.

What does your solicitor say though? Ask his advice first before taking any action.

You will probably need to contact the Data Protection Services Dept to get copies of all documents, electronic, or otherwise, and transcripts of any telephone calls made, minutes of meetings, etc. relating to you. These very often come in useful, not necessarily for the information they have but more for the information they'll say they don't have! They should also send you a copy of your contract with this info.
You will have to write to that Department and they will then send you a form to complete and will want a cheque for £10 plus proof of your identity.
Fill it in correctly because they have 40 days to provide you with the info and if they can delay it, they will.

Get hold of a RM attendance procedure, you can download it online or just read it and see if you can see anything relating to time off for dependants, although I think that your solicitor will be asking for a copy of this anyway, and of your contract.

Good luck.
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Re: Long term absence

Post by liamlayor »

Sorry, forgot to mention when asking for the Data Protection Services Depat. for the info - ask them specifically for copies of any, and all, letters sent to you from either your line manager or your DOM or from any other person relating to your absence(s) and of their intention to dismiss you.
markyd
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Re: Long term absence

Post by markyd »

When I first got my p45 I did not ring RM as I know calls cant be recorded, but I did ring CAB who told me to write a letter to Head Office explaining my thoughts on there decision. You are quite right I gave them 14 days to respond and nothing came back. I have also been in touch with ACAS, they are trying to get my job back but I am not holding my breath. Again I am waiting a response.
I think this letter I sent would cover this letter of grievance you stated!!

My solictor has had copies of everything including my contract. Again I think your right I need full details of RM's policy on long term leave.
NumptyBumpty
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Re: Long term absence

Post by NumptyBumpty »

It sounds like you are doing all the right things and I'm sure your solicitor will know exactly what to do. Good luck, my gut feeling is that the outcome should be in your favour but it's a shame it has had to come to this. Over-excitable managers don't help RM in cases like this, it just costs more money, hassle and stress for all involved.
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Re: Long term absence

Post by stokes11eg »

:sad: If you have children under a certain age, you are entitled to some Parental' -as opposed to paternity- leave to take care of them. This is usually unpaid, but in certain circumstances, you can calim Income support during this period.
For all ACAS come under fire, they will help you with this, and good luck, it is so hard to advise correctly without knowing the full circumstances.
Directgov.com have a site on parental leave , worthwhile looking it up.
markyd
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Re: Long term absence

Post by markyd »

Can I just thank everybodys help in this matter, I take all your comments on board and have found it all usefull.

I am finding it realy hard to find a staff handbook which shows employers and employees responsibilitys, my solicitor wants a copy.
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Re: Long term absence

Post by POSTMAN »

Have a look at these 2...

Attendance Procedure
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=11808" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Special leave policy
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 36&t=24456" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As for a staff hand book,is there such a thing?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
keithposty
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Re: Long term absence

Post by keithposty »

in royal mail we do not have a staff hand book as such

we operate under the IR FRAME WORK

that is the union handle disciplinary problems
liamlayor
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Re: Long term absence

Post by liamlayor »

Don't know if you've found what you were looking for but this was on an earlier post and might be what you're looking for:

"I am at the end of a case where I am suing RM for constructive dismissal. My solicitor needs a copy of the Royal Mail Personnel Manual which is part of its People Management Framework. If anyone has a copy please can you post it here. I am desperate as I need to get it to them by 2.00pm today."

I don't know if anyone on here has a copy of this, the earlier post did not show if he ever got the document.

Good luck.