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Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
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tessa
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Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
Hi People Need Help and Advice
I,ve worked for Royal Mail 33 years , I,ve been managing a bad back for about the last 5 years.The last 12 months has been a nightmare.
24th March 2011, 56 days off Lower Back Pain, Stage 1 issued returnd to work with ATOS Help
16th December 2011,14 days off Lower Back Pain Stage 2 issued.Returned to work on a modified duty, no ATOS involment.
27th March 2012 till now , Lower Back Pain,Looking at stage 3, THE SACK OR MEDICAL RETIRMENT.
i dont want either, had a MRI SCAN the other day , prolapsed disc, it can be fixed I hope, but will take a couple of months.
Any Advice Appreciated
I,ve worked for Royal Mail 33 years , I,ve been managing a bad back for about the last 5 years.The last 12 months has been a nightmare.
24th March 2011, 56 days off Lower Back Pain, Stage 1 issued returnd to work with ATOS Help
16th December 2011,14 days off Lower Back Pain Stage 2 issued.Returned to work on a modified duty, no ATOS involment.
27th March 2012 till now , Lower Back Pain,Looking at stage 3, THE SACK OR MEDICAL RETIRMENT.
i dont want either, had a MRI SCAN the other day , prolapsed disc, it can be fixed I hope, but will take a couple of months.
Any Advice Appreciated
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
if in the Union contact Area Delivery Rep and explain the above - the fact that all 3 are connected and you are taking steps to reduce the chances of it happening again are strong points in your favour. However it would be better for the ADR to be in attendance and brief you as its very important and you might miss something.tessa wrote:Hi People Need Help and Advice
I,ve worked for Royal Mail 33 years , I,ve been managing a bad back for about the last 5 years.The last 12 months has been a nightmare.
24th March 2011, 56 days off Lower Back Pain, Stage 1 issued returnd to work with ATOS Help
16th December 2011,14 days off Lower Back Pain Stage 2 issued.Returned to work on a modified duty, no ATOS involment.
27th March 2012 till now , Lower Back Pain,Looking at stage 3, THE SACK OR MEDICAL RETIRMENT.
i dont want either, had a MRI SCAN the other day , prolapsed disc, it can be fixed I hope, but will take a couple of months.
Any Advice Appreciated
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easter bunny
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
You are covered under the Equality Act ( new version of the DDA Act ) .
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Lincox
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
Hi tessa
Would be interested to find out the outcome of your case. I am on stage 1 at the moment for same reason. I also believe you should be protected under the Equalities Act. My case is progressive and will only get worse and because I have suffered for more than 1 year and with regular problems, then Royal Mail should not be going down the stage warning route. They do however and you have no right of appeal until it reaches stage 3. Make sure that you quote this to them and demand Atos involvement at your interview.
Would be interested to find out the outcome of your case. I am on stage 1 at the moment for same reason. I also believe you should be protected under the Equalities Act. My case is progressive and will only get worse and because I have suffered for more than 1 year and with regular problems, then Royal Mail should not be going down the stage warning route. They do however and you have no right of appeal until it reaches stage 3. Make sure that you quote this to them and demand Atos involvement at your interview.
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clashcityrocker
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
If the prolapsed disc can be cured by surgery then the Equality Act doesn't cover her.(I think)easter bunny wrote:You are covered under the Equality Act ( new version of the DDA Act ) .
Though why it has taken so long to get a diagnosis and what sort of rehab plan could have been advised without a proper diagnosis are questions that need to be asked.
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liamlayor
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
The definition of disability
For the purposes of the Equality Act:
•substantial means neither minor nor trivial
•long term means that the effect of the impairment has lasted or is likely to last for at least 12 months (there are special rules covering recurring or fluctuating conditions)
•normal day-to-day activities include everyday things like eating, washing, walking and going shopping
•a normal day-to-day activity must affect one of the 'capacities' listed in the Act which include mobility, manual dexterity, speech, hearing, seeing and memory
Yours has lasted for more than 12 months so you should be covered by it. Ask your GP.
If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.
For the purposes of the Equality Act:
•substantial means neither minor nor trivial
•long term means that the effect of the impairment has lasted or is likely to last for at least 12 months (there are special rules covering recurring or fluctuating conditions)
•normal day-to-day activities include everyday things like eating, washing, walking and going shopping
•a normal day-to-day activity must affect one of the 'capacities' listed in the Act which include mobility, manual dexterity, speech, hearing, seeing and memory
Yours has lasted for more than 12 months so you should be covered by it. Ask your GP.
If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.
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fishtank
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
It is very important that you are re-referred to ATOS as soon as possible given your diagnosis and prognosis.
If Royal Mail are made aware of the likely outcome of surgery they will find it much more difficult to dismiss you.
The best way to do that is through their own OHS.
It is difficult but not impossible to be covered by the Equality Act without a proper diagnosis which is probably why you were staged up to 2 but now you have one your rep should be pushing to have you removed from the procedure pending surgery.
If Royal Mail are made aware of the likely outcome of surgery they will find it much more difficult to dismiss you.
The best way to do that is through their own OHS.
It is difficult but not impossible to be covered by the Equality Act without a proper diagnosis which is probably why you were staged up to 2 but now you have one your rep should be pushing to have you removed from the procedure pending surgery.
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Indy
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
Is that really whats at stake here? wouldn't RM offer Ill heath retirement? Not making any judgements on the OPer as I don't know.fishtank wrote:they will find it much more difficult to dismiss you
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fishtank
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
Possibly but IHR is really just compensatory dismissal isn't it?.....and she doesn't want to go.Indy wrote:Is that really whats at stake here? wouldn't RM offer Ill heath retirement? Not making any judgements on the OPer as I don't know.fishtank wrote:they will find it much more difficult to dismiss you
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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not me
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
liamlayor wrote:The definition of disability
For the purposes of the Equality Act:
•substantial means neither minor nor trivial
•long term means that the effect of the impairment has lasted or is likely to last for at least 12 months (there are special rules covering recurring or fluctuating conditions)
•normal day-to-day activities include everyday things like eating, washing, walking and going shopping
•a normal day-to-day activity must affect one of the 'capacities' listed in the Act which include mobility, manual dexterity, speech, hearing, seeing and memory
Yours has lasted for more than 12 months so you should be covered by it. Ask your GP.
If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.
handy to know
looks like my foot condition would come under that :)
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bigcol
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
liamlayor wrote:If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.
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liamlayor
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
Sorry, BigCol,bigcol wrote:liamlayor wrote:If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.
Have I said something wrong?
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bigcol
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
Once you've been designated you're always designated. The employers' requirements can change though.
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liamlayor
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
Sorry bigcol, I didn't explain myself too well but you are absolutely right. What I should have said was that he needs to be designated disabled before surgery . That's why I said go to your GPbigcol wrote:Once you've been designated you're always designated. The employers' requirements can change though.
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Pat Ostman
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Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up
But a GP cannot determine you are covered under the DDA can they, or can they? 
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