ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
tessa
Posts: 6
Joined: 09 Apr 2012, 11:18
Gender: Male

Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by tessa »

Hi People Need Help and Advice
I,ve worked for Royal Mail 33 years , I,ve been managing a bad back for about the last 5 years.The last 12 months has been a nightmare.

24th March 2011, 56 days off Lower Back Pain, Stage 1 issued returnd to work with ATOS Help
16th December 2011,14 days off Lower Back Pain Stage 2 issued.Returned to work on a modified duty, no ATOS involment.
27th March 2012 till now , Lower Back Pain,Looking at stage 3, THE SACK OR MEDICAL RETIRMENT.
i dont want either, had a MRI SCAN the other day , prolapsed disc, it can be fixed I hope, but will take a couple of months.

Any Advice Appreciated
TrueBlueTerrier
FORUM ADMINISTRATOR
Posts: 72725
Joined: 30 Dec 2006, 10:29
Gender: Male
Location: On my couch

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

tessa wrote:Hi People Need Help and Advice
I,ve worked for Royal Mail 33 years , I,ve been managing a bad back for about the last 5 years.The last 12 months has been a nightmare.

24th March 2011, 56 days off Lower Back Pain, Stage 1 issued returnd to work with ATOS Help
16th December 2011,14 days off Lower Back Pain Stage 2 issued.Returned to work on a modified duty, no ATOS involment.
27th March 2012 till now , Lower Back Pain,Looking at stage 3, THE SACK OR MEDICAL RETIRMENT.
i dont want either, had a MRI SCAN the other day , prolapsed disc, it can be fixed I hope, but will take a couple of months.

Any Advice Appreciated
if in the Union contact Area Delivery Rep and explain the above - the fact that all 3 are connected and you are taking steps to reduce the chances of it happening again are strong points in your favour. However it would be better for the ADR to be in attendance and brief you as its very important and you might miss something.
All post by me in Green are Admin Posts.
Any post in any other colour is my own responsibility.
If you like a news story I posted please click the link to show support Any news stories you can't post - PM me with a link
My sharing of news articles should not be interpreted as an endorsement or condemnation of any particular viewpoint or the issues presented. I share them solely for informational purposes.
easter bunny
Posts: 378
Joined: 01 Jul 2007, 20:08

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by easter bunny »

You are covered under the Equality Act ( new version of the DDA Act ) .
Lincox
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 3485
Joined: 09 Jan 2008, 18:07
Gender: Male

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by Lincox »

Hi tessa
Would be interested to find out the outcome of your case. I am on stage 1 at the moment for same reason. I also believe you should be protected under the Equalities Act. My case is progressive and will only get worse and because I have suffered for more than 1 year and with regular problems, then Royal Mail should not be going down the stage warning route. They do however and you have no right of appeal until it reaches stage 3. Make sure that you quote this to them and demand Atos involvement at your interview.
clashcityrocker
Posts: 16688
Joined: 22 Sep 2009, 13:50
Gender: Male
Location: strummerville

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by clashcityrocker »

easter bunny wrote:You are covered under the Equality Act ( new version of the DDA Act ) .
If the prolapsed disc can be cured by surgery then the Equality Act doesn't cover her.(I think)
Though why it has taken so long to get a diagnosis and what sort of rehab plan could have been advised without a proper diagnosis are questions that need to be asked.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
liamlayor
Posts: 82
Joined: 17 Mar 2010, 10:42
Gender: Male

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by liamlayor »

The definition of disability

For the purposes of the Equality Act:


•substantial means neither minor nor trivial
•long term means that the effect of the impairment has lasted or is likely to last for at least 12 months (there are special rules covering recurring or fluctuating conditions)
•normal day-to-day activities include everyday things like eating, washing, walking and going shopping
•a normal day-to-day activity must affect one of the 'capacities' listed in the Act which include mobility, manual dexterity, speech, hearing, seeing and memory

Yours has lasted for more than 12 months so you should be covered by it. Ask your GP.

If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.
fishtank
Posts: 19732
Joined: 28 Sep 2007, 17:22
Gender: Male

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by fishtank »

It is very important that you are re-referred to ATOS as soon as possible given your diagnosis and prognosis.
If Royal Mail are made aware of the likely outcome of surgery they will find it much more difficult to dismiss you.
The best way to do that is through their own OHS.
It is difficult but not impossible to be covered by the Equality Act without a proper diagnosis which is probably why you were staged up to 2 but now you have one your rep should be pushing to have you removed from the procedure pending surgery.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
Indy
Posts: 977
Joined: 03 May 2010, 07:05
Gender: Male

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by Indy »

fishtank wrote:they will find it much more difficult to dismiss you
Is that really whats at stake here? wouldn't RM offer Ill heath retirement? Not making any judgements on the OPer as I don't know.
fishtank
Posts: 19732
Joined: 28 Sep 2007, 17:22
Gender: Male

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by fishtank »

Indy wrote:
fishtank wrote:they will find it much more difficult to dismiss you
Is that really whats at stake here? wouldn't RM offer Ill heath retirement? Not making any judgements on the OPer as I don't know.
Possibly but IHR is really just compensatory dismissal isn't it?.....and she doesn't want to go.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
not me
Posts: 2735
Joined: 10 Aug 2007, 15:07
Gender: Female
Location: Uranus

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by not me »

liamlayor wrote:The definition of disability

For the purposes of the Equality Act:


•substantial means neither minor nor trivial
•long term means that the effect of the impairment has lasted or is likely to last for at least 12 months (there are special rules covering recurring or fluctuating conditions)
•normal day-to-day activities include everyday things like eating, washing, walking and going shopping
•a normal day-to-day activity must affect one of the 'capacities' listed in the Act which include mobility, manual dexterity, speech, hearing, seeing and memory

Yours has lasted for more than 12 months so you should be covered by it. Ask your GP.

If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.

handy to know
looks like my foot condition would come under that :)
bigcol
Posts: 404
Joined: 21 Jun 2010, 13:29
Gender: Male
Location: Officially the worst DO

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by bigcol »

liamlayor wrote:If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.


:no no
liamlayor
Posts: 82
Joined: 17 Mar 2010, 10:42
Gender: Male

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by liamlayor »

bigcol wrote:
liamlayor wrote:If you undergo surgery in the future which cures your PID then you will no longer be covered.


:no no
Sorry, BigCol,

Have I said something wrong?
bigcol
Posts: 404
Joined: 21 Jun 2010, 13:29
Gender: Male
Location: Officially the worst DO

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by bigcol »

Once you've been designated you're always designated. The employers' requirements can change though.
liamlayor
Posts: 82
Joined: 17 Mar 2010, 10:42
Gender: Male

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by liamlayor »

bigcol wrote:Once you've been designated you're always designated. The employers' requirements can change though.
Sorry bigcol, I didn't explain myself too well but you are absolutely right. What I should have said was that he needs to be designated disabled before surgery . That's why I said go to your GP
Pat Ostman
Posts: 2797
Joined: 17 Sep 2008, 21:53
Gender: Male
Location: In the Line Managers office being screwed over.

Re: Stage 3 Warning Coming Up

Post by Pat Ostman »

But a GP cannot determine you are covered under the DDA can they, or can they? :hmmmm
Last edited by Pat Ostman on 11 Apr 2012, 17:20, edited 2 times in total.
Run, rabbit run. Dig that hole, forget the sun.
And when at last the work is done. Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one