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Route to constructive dismissal
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Blue29
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Route to constructive dismissal
It might be useful to myself and others to know of the procedure for presenting a constructive dismissal case. I expect to be leaving this coming week following a direct instruction from above this past week. Where would I take my case to? Does anyone know of an outline of stages? As for winning the case, I have no hope since I am aware of the particular culture of RM but I want to do myself justice - I've nothing to hide.
Thanks for any info.
Thanks for any info.
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hantsman
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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- Joined: 14 Jul 2009, 09:33
- Gender: Male
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
Im not sure what your asking?Blue29 wrote:It might be useful to myself and others to know of the procedure for presenting a constructive dismissal case. I expect to be leaving this coming week following a direct instruction from above this past week. Where would I take my case to? Does anyone know of an outline of stages? As for winning the case, I have no hope since I am aware of the particular culture of RM but I want to do myself justice - I've nothing to hide.
Thanks for any info.
Constructive dismissal cases are very difficult to win.
You file a case at an Employment tribunal, google it.
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keithposty
- Posts: 918
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- Gender: Male
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
only 3 % of constructive dismissal cases are won at a tribunal
please elaborate
please elaborate
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General Mannerheim
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 2299
- Joined: 14 Dec 2007, 13:10
- Gender: Male
- Location: Stalag 17
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
When you say you will be expecting to leave this week following a direct instruction from above are you saying you expect to be dismissed or do you mean you are resigning?Blue29 wrote:It might be useful to myself and others to know of the procedure for presenting a constructive dismissal case. I expect to be leaving this coming week following a direct instruction from above this past week. Where would I take my case to? Does anyone know of an outline of stages? As for winning the case, I have no hope since I am aware of the particular culture of RM but I want to do myself justice - I've nothing to hide.
Thanks for any info.
Royal Mail managers.....about as popular as a t.urd in a swimming pool!
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
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steven100
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- Gender: Male
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
Is it God who is making the instruction?
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General Mannerheim
- EX ROYAL MAIL
- Posts: 2299
- Joined: 14 Dec 2007, 13:10
- Gender: Male
- Location: Stalag 17
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
No just one manager who likes to think he is!steven100 wrote:Is it God who is making the instruction?
Royal Mail managers.....about as popular as a t.urd in a swimming pool!
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
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minimumstandard
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- Gender: Male
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
simple no win no fee solicitor you have nothing to lose
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Blue29
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- Joined: 22 Jun 2011, 10:24
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Re: Route to constructive dismissal
thanks for replies. Kept things undescriptive for obvious purposes. Basically wanting to know how you get from being forced out of a job to taking action against it. I have two options now so that's good. 3% isn't good.
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dvbuk55
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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- Joined: 02 Jun 2007, 19:17
- Gender: Male
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
It would help to know why you feel you are being forced out. As previously stated it would be very difficult to fight a constructive dismissal case as opposed to being dismissed.
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NWpostie
- Posts: 3620
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- Location: Sector 001 Borg Collective, 6 o f 9
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
Don't resign ever regardless of what anyone is saying, its YOUR job not anyone elses, you need the money, just do the job EXACTLY as per spec, you will soon enjoy seeing him getting worked up trying to make you work hard, just chill and smile that will throw him.
I have had similar bosses trying to intimidate me and make sweat, putting pressure on me, I just reverted to working the official way as per their spec, took my breaks, prepped at a normal pace, not let anything get to me, I basically just plodded on, I actually felt better for it, I just didn't care anymore, I just come in on the dot, take my pay, do the work and fvcked off home, forget work and live my life
I have had similar bosses trying to intimidate me and make sweat, putting pressure on me, I just reverted to working the official way as per their spec, took my breaks, prepped at a normal pace, not let anything get to me, I basically just plodded on, I actually felt better for it, I just didn't care anymore, I just come in on the dot, take my pay, do the work and fvcked off home, forget work and live my life
Six of Nine loves Seven of Nine, together in Electric Dreams.
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Blue29
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Re: Route to constructive dismissal
NWpostie wrote:Don't resign ever regardless of what anyone is saying, its YOUR job not anyone elses, you need the money, just do the job EXACTLY as per spec, you will soon enjoy seeing him getting worked up trying to make you work hard, just chill and smile that will throw him.
I have had similar bosses trying to intimidate me and make sweat, putting pressure on me, I just reverted to working the official way as per their spec, took my breaks, prepped at a normal pace, not let anything get to me, I basically just plodded on, I actually felt better for it, I just didn't care anymore, I just come in on the dot, take my pay, do the work and fvcked off home, forget work and live my life
Thanks and to others above too. I appreciate what you are saying and agree with you. Working properly does take some of the stress out of it. But I've been working properly and that is part of the trouble - they can't handle that. As for leaving work at work that's all well and good but not possible as days off are shifted, weekends arranged then taken away, annual leave not given - even single days asked for 6 months in advance are not possible (no joke), every bank holiday becomes a scheduled day off anyway, blah blah blah.
I realised that many leave by just walking out, therefore getting the sack. The reason for this is the amount of bullshit anticipated when the notice is handed in. The whole thing is intimidation and therefore this constructive dismissal question on behalf of others and myself.
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flaminmoses
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: Route to constructive dismissal
Speak to the union before deciding anything
Going down the constructive dismissal route they will just close ranks and you will more than likely need evidence that what they were doing is against their rules
I can imagine why only 3% win CD cases and its more than likely they have some kind of recorded evidence
Going down the constructive dismissal route they will just close ranks and you will more than likely need evidence that what they were doing is against their rules
I can imagine why only 3% win CD cases and its more than likely they have some kind of recorded evidence
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NWpostie
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Re: Route to constructive dismissal
flaminmoses wrote:Speak to the union before deciding anything
Going down the constructive dismissal route they will just close ranks and you will more than likely need evidence that what they were doing is against their rules
I can imagine why only 3% win CD cases and its more than likely they have some kind of recorded evidence
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If not for CD, it can be used in disciplinary hearings, once they have twigged that you have such device tho, they will either be scared or watch what they are saying, I don't think it is illegal to have one on your person as you need for "difficult Customers"
I have one myself, I brought it from Maplins, there are other retailers that will sell them as well, check the resolution and microphone quality before buying, there reviews about on the internet.
Six of Nine loves Seven of Nine, together in Electric Dreams.
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flaminmoses
- EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: Route to constructive dismissal
Flyonthewall r good
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Got a device for,my car
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walkertom
- Posts: 52
- Joined: 02 Mar 2011, 09:19
- Gender: Male
- Location: The Wild West
Re: Route to constructive dismissal
Hi there,
I'd be careful about using cameras for recording customers. I've never heard Royal Mail recommending that for dealing with problem customers.
I'd be careful about using cameras for recording customers. I've never heard Royal Mail recommending that for dealing with problem customers.
The same goes for using cameras to record your manager. I've heard audio recordings would be acceptable in some circumstances, but try to get some advice before using the recording.Ambulance crew sacked after they are attacked by patient
Jun 10 2011 by Lisa Boyle, Ayrshire Post (main ed)
A TEAM of paramedics were sacked after THEY were attacked by a violent patient.
Robert Kidd and his partner Julie Hose were left with broken bones following the assault in the back of their ambulance.
The shock sacking came because Robert took a nine second recording of Marie Bennett’s torrent of verbal and physical abuse, thinking it would stop them getting into trouble with bosses.